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Confessions of a Reformed InCel

November 17, 2012

[UPDATE 4-26-2018]

It’s been almost 4 years since i left this space of the internet. It’s been almost 6 years since i wrote the below post.

A lot changes with time away from the sphere. I’ve lived a normal life, with a great gal in a ‘normal’ family setting, engaging with society, a totally different man that the one 4, 6, 10+ years ago. Had i not taken that journey, a cathartic one no doubt, who knows where i could have ended up. You couldn’t really write a better ending for the journey i took from the mouth of Hell back to normality.

And then Monday happens. April 23, 2018 at 1:24pm. A beautiful, warm sunny day not unlike the kind 9/11 is remembered for.

I want to state this right off the bat for the record. My heart and my sympathies go out to every individual affected by the Van assault mass murder by the person who i will not name. I won’t acknowledge the killer or immortalize him. Not only do i not condone his actions, i condemn them as strongly as i can condemn anything. He is a coward.

At the height of my depression, at the lowest point in my life being incel, i never considered violence against anyone but myself. Even then i realized that ones actions don’t exist in a bubble, and that every action you apply resonates beyond whatever you’re looking at. But for this individual, he crossed into the dangerous territory where his focus was not to look at others as people who have family and friends and coworkers who will be impacted and grieve. All he saw was a society that isolated him, did not care to help him but instead ridiculed him, and decided that since he lost in the game of life.. he was going to drag as many to the bottom with him before he died. Ultimately he even failed at suicide, which is somewhat ironic.. confirming his failure at everything.

I know somewhere on my blog, there are comments by me, denouncing Elliot Rogers. (I should have made a post, and if i didn’t that would be a glaring oversight on my part). While i have the ultimate empathy for true suffering incels, who have gone without the basic and primal human connection one can have with the opposite sex.. i have NO SYMPATHY whatsoever for those who take that pain and decide to unleash it on others. Those innocent people Elliot shot were not the cause of Elliots incelness. Elliots unwillingness to embrace TRP hard truths were the source of his pain. The people that were run down on Monday in Toronto, so very close to home to me and the ones i love, who could easily have been in his bombsights on any given day, were not the cause of this individuals alleged incelness. An unwillingness to try to become better than he was, was the cause of it.

It was their absolute lack of trying to change to be something better. Or maybe worse, they were just broken and irreparable from the start. I try to believe everyone can be saved.. but who knows anymore. When i watched the video’s of Elliot Roger come out, i sat there horrified. In another life, that *might* have ended up being me had i not course corrected. I wondered if the chance could ever occur, was there something myself.. or anyone much more suited like Rollo, could ever have said to snap him out of his delusional angst? You could see it in his eyes on the videos.. this one is too far gone to help. If you ever wanted to see what ‘entitled to womens bodies’ actually looks like, stare at Elliots face. Most incels don’t feel entitled.. they feel like they’ve been left out of the party everyone else is having. Entitled is crashing the party and ruining it for everyone else.

TRP takes many forms. Early on i decided i wanted to take the ‘become the best you that you can be’ mantra version. I didn’t want to ‘game’ for hookups, i wanted to invest in myself, to truly change who i was so i could confidently command the asking price rather than beg for crumbs. Rollo very recently discussed how many come to TRP and complain they wont be able to carry on ‘the act’. He explained how when he applied it and internalized it, it became part of who he was and second nature, and it was no longer an act, it was just him. That’s the part i tried to emulate.. to take the lessons, and apply them and use them until it no longer felt like i’m pretending to be someone i’m not. But you have to try, and make the time and put in the effort. And you have to have realistic expectations to boot. I will never be Ryan Reynolds or Channing Tatum in looks.. but on the range of unattainable beauty standards, and where i started, i hit a happy medium i was proud of. Can i go further? Sure, but thats my call, not societies.

But you still need to put in the work. Even if you can’t reach the ideal, strive for it. The whole concept of ‘you’re perfect just the way you are’ needs to die. Can you imagine how much Elliot might have thought that about himself? Or the van murderer? If you are unhappy, the only person who can do something about that is YOU. No one else. And telling unhappy people that they’re ok as they are is a recipe for disaster.

I still have complete empathy for the incel community, but i want to hope that the ones who reach the TRP message take the right, and not the wrong lessons from this. Become better, knowledge is power, but apply it properly and dont expect a quick fix! Looking at my ancient story below, you will notice that the happy ending does not occur right away, but years later once the core tenets of TRP are internalized and applied. Shorcuts often lead to more anguish in this regard.

As much as this tragedy has personally disturbed me to the core, i am equally troubled by the way some of the media outlets are handling this. While undoubtedly there are many misogynistic incels (whom you still need to reach out to in order to quell the rage), there are equally harmless ones, confused ones, and angry ones who simply learn for the first time they’ve been playing by the wrong set of books. Were we to actually engage with incels in a real fashion, and first acknowledge that YES, it is debilitating, humiliating and emotionally devastating to the individuals who suffer through it.. we need to actually engage with them without judgement of how and why they got there, and realistically work with them in an honest fashion to help them overcome their problems. Chastising them, yelling at them, mischaracterizing them or applying blanket misogyny labels upon them – WILL NOT – i repeat, will not bring them into the open to educate, treat, rehab or reform them. It will drive them further into darkness where you just might start producing more of these emotionally spent, dead eyed, uncaring, lay waste to the world, reproductive losers in the game of life.. dehumanize everyone surrounding them. They go on to become the next one. Their rationalization is so apparent, i don’t understand why no one can see it.

They spend their entire lives isolated, in pain, wondering what about them is so wrong as to never be desired. It’s not obvious to them, otherwise they’d have done something. Or they’ve been enabled by liars who tell them they’re perfect as they are, to just be themselves. And yet, being themselves only incites ridicule from others, taunting, jeers and derision. Once this isolation hits a peak, they no longer see people around them as people, they see them as abusers. Everyone who is having a good time, smiling, laughing, enjoying life, having lives, having sexual relationships, having romance, sharing emotions.. all in front of the face of the one who is told ‘no, not for you, you can’t play with us’. There are some who are ok with this, accept their lot in life, and stay there. There are other who decide to change themselves so they too can join the game. And finally, there are the Elliots and Toronto van murderer who decide that if they can’t enjoy this life like others can, they’re gonna ruin it for the rest of us. That’s it in a nutshell.

My one wish is that this issue is examined without the polarization we see in todays politics of left and right, where each side screams at the other saying ‘you’re wrong’ and nothing happens except a race to the bottom. You can’t expect people to come to you for help when you’re going to demonize them from the outset. That needs to stop. Incels need help. What that help is and how it reaches them is another discussion altogether. But it’s one that needs to happen to keep shit like this from repeating.

I have not enough words of condolence i can give to the innocents who were taken, and the lives of everyone else who will be affected by their loss. This tragedy hit too close to home.

It could have been me. It could have been me in front of that van on any other routine day. It could have been my family, my friends, my coworkers, anyone i love and care about. It is still surreal that this happened at all.

I also shudder to think ‘could it have been me’ inside the van behind the wheel,.. had i not found TRP and changed my life instead of believing the pretty lies of others. Was i ever capable, would enough time in hell for me produce a similar fate? I don’t ever want to know.

I grieve with Toronto for those who were lost, i have to hope it never happens again. Most of all, that will require changing the way we talk about this issue.

[EDIT – Days after Elliot Roger murders: For anyone new coming here from The Daily Dot, Reddit, Ask Men or anywhere else. Once you are finished reading this piece (due to the interest since the Elliot Rogers murders) and you get all your feathers ruffled about the ‘feelings’ section, please head over HERE for understanding the proper context lest you get your panties in a bunch. If you assume the language was written as intent rather than contextualizing what would be required to have women stripped of their natural biological advantage of being noticed solely for the fact they are female – then i can’t help you or you comprehension skills. peace the fuck out]

[ORIGINAL POST BEGINS]

November 17, 2012. enough is enough. i warned y’all it might get depressing. here goes. don’t worry, it ends well. i think.

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In honor of my 10,000th view.. i’m going to publish what i consider the hardest post i’ve ever written. But it needs to be written, for i may be an extreme, i know i’m not alone. This isn’t written for the PUA or the Alpha or the Pussy Slayer™. This is written for you, the one without hope..  to know there is hope and you can get better.

Thanks for the hits guys! Snapshot taken 07/09/12 at 2:33 pm after 3 weeks on the interwebz.

[actually no.. i’ve crossed 50k. that’s how long i’ve been holding onto this draft, terrified of letting it go. but i saw a comment today that finally let me pull the trigger.]

It is so Very hard to hit that PUBLISH button.

Writing this post is a source of *shame* for me. It’s been sitting in my drafts for about 2 weeks [edit: 5+ months actually]

But at this point in my life having endured what i have, it does not trouble me putting it out in the sphere. I am sure i am not alone in this and that this post will actually help someone out there. Some of you may relate. Women hopefully may finally understand where my anger and cynicism stems from.

So i’ve decided to unleash it. [about time?]

Firstly, before you continue, please go read THIS POST. [Edit Apr.30,2014: Due to the explosion of traffic from AskMen, I have noticed this post is no longer available, so i will instead invite you to go read THIS POST instead ] No offense to the author, my past wasn’t her fault.. but it struck the usual nerve with me. You need to read posts like this to let the feeling of inequality fill you up.

Welcome back..

When i read it or stories like it, these are the THINGS I FEEL (and yes, i know ‘feelings’ are the domain of a woman)

  • When i hear a woman tell me that she’s gone through a dry spell and not had sex in over X weeks/ months.. i feel like putting my fist through her face.
  • When i hear a woman tell me that she feels ugly or unloved or unwanted because her partner hasn’t touched her in over 6 months, i feel like laughing loudly 3 inches from her face.
  • When i hear a woman tell me that she just picked up a random guy for a night of fun because she was lonely, i feel like i’m glad i don’t own a gun.
  • When i hear a woman tell me that i shouldn’t feel bad about having gone without for so long, after all it’s only just sex, i feel like disfiguring her face with a scalpel.

Nature’s cruel joke and cosmic irony in one. I as a man, biologically driven365 days a year to ejaculate and produce sperm as often as possible, and having the drive and desire to want it every waning moment, who is villified for this natural urge and made to feel ashamed of my sexuality, control it and subdue it to conform to the feminine imperative… have to listen to women, who in their solipsism cannot fathom the ordeal of what i’m about to write about, women who biologically ovulate and desire sex rather infrequently compared to men, talk about, no celebrate their sexuality, their urges and desires.. and lament their short dry spells as if the world were coming to an end. They can never understand what a power differential there is in these urges.

Women can say they love sex just as much as men. I would call BS. Until there is a glut of male prostitutes, male escorts, male rub n tugs for female patrons, a demand for male sex workers and strippers i’ll say nay. Unless they’re all having alpha sex on the side perhaps? Or will touching themselves to 50 shades suffice? At least mommy porn is culturally acceptable. Women DO NOT need sex like men do.. otherwise the sphere would not exist.

Anyways.. back to my pitiful former life.

I have no pictures of myself from a time period stretching from high school to my late 20’s, save for some randoms others might have taken of me. I have no memories or recollections of my time in high school. I have no stories of parties, girlfriends or wild flings. It’s a time period i wiped from my mind, much like PTSD. The only way i can recall it is if i sit down and think really hard about it. I rarely do because i don’t like feeling like shit for the hell of it.

I was that beta/omega/zeta. I let myself get LJBF‘ed on multiple occasions being that ‘nice guy’ that male hating cunt Amanda Marcotte despises. I  played by the rules as handed down to me by the feminine authorities on what women would look for and appreciate in a man. I was asked to believe what they said, not what they did. ‘Just be yourself‘ (your nice beta supplicating self) was the golden code.

So here it is… my Incel Hell.

This is where you will stay for the next 12 years. Enjoy your stay.

<deep breath>

Living by the feminist code earned me 12 years of hell. Let that number sink in.

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no, that went by too fast. try it this way.

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4380 days give or take.

4380 days without being validated as a sexual being.

4380 days without physical human contact or touch.

4380 days of isolation and loneliness.

4380 days of silent suffering and silently screaming at mirrors.

4380 days of crippling ridicule and self confidence destruction by my peers.

4380 days during in what should have been the best years and height of my sexual primacy…

…give or take…

GONE.

Funny pictures required to maintain levity and lessen the urge to kill.

From the Audacious Amateur Blogger in her post about a Sex Hiatus:

Sex is P and VG but it’s also human and human. Even if it’s just for a night, it lets you feel you’re not alone in the world, you shared a biological imperative with someone, you experienced their pleasure with your own.

She also captures the very essence of my whole diatribe in this little bit in her post about one years worth of life changes.

6. No one has held me, touched me, hugged me in such a long time. Humans need physical contact. I don’t feel human.

Human to Human.
I don’t feel human.

I can only imagine what a productive member of civilization i would be IF i was brought up with masculine values and was sexually sated. Instead i spent my life living out the following tale trying to figure out what my problem was and living as a manic bipolar depressive. Instead here i sit, a MGTOW, never finding enough reason or desire to become productive beyond my own means.

From the age of 18-29 i traveled a road that lead me to believe i wasn’t human, wasn’t worthy of love, wasn’t deserving of companionship and that i would probably be better off dead.

I lost my virginity at late 17 to a girl and our relationship lasted for just over 5 months. When it ended i fell into a deep depression. What i should have been told at that moment was to identify what was it about me that made me lack confidence, to fix it and to head back out into the world. To listen to the guys who were #winning

Instead i followed my feminist programming and female advice off a cliff into hell.

Feminism taught me a lot throughout the 80’s and 90’s. It taught me not to question women’s sexual choices. It taught me to treat them with deference and respect. It taught me not to accost them for sex aggressively, but to treat them as human beings. It taught me that i MUST control my shallow, greedy, dangerous impulses but allow a woman the right to indulge in hers. It taught me to be nice for the sake of being nice and not expecting sex in return. To give all my emotional and platonic ability and not dare ask for intimacy in return.

It taught me everything i needed to be creepy, unattractive and doormat ready.

And it was re-enforced by EVERY woman i talked to.

What i SHOULD have been told is “hit the gym, build some muscle, guys with muscles are hawt” – “get braces now, you’ll smile a lot and we love guys with big smiles” – “go see a dermatologist, we love sexy skin on a man” – “cut off your long hair, you don’t look like a rocker, you look like a hippy. crew cuts are sexy, you’d look good in one” – “learn a skill and become good in it. become confident in it. we love confidence”

What i got instead was a constant drumming of “you’re such a good guy, just wait, someone else is out there for you” – “you don’t have to change a thing, you’re a wonderful person, just keep being yourself” – “you don’t need muscles, only jerks care about having big muscles” – “there’s nothing wrong with you, you just need to be a bit more confident that’s all” – “confidence comes from the inside, not from the outside

Patent fucking lies all of them.

My issue was i always believed i was not handsome, rugged or built well enough to attract initial attention. I had poor self image. All the advice to the contrary, telling me I WAS OK AS I WAS allowed me to abdicate my responsibility to start working on that issue. It led me to believe people should like me for who i am, not what my exterior presents. My first cross to bear. Instead of working to fix my skin deep issues and develop a greater sense of self worth, i continued listening to that advice to find one who would appreciate me for my ‘nice‘ qualities instead. This further perpetuated the vicious circle of being constantly friendzoned or rejected outright by women. Being myself was supposed to work but badboys were winning the day. Instead of reading it properly and abandoning the beta to become the badass, i doubled down and started hating badboys and believed that women were just being misguided but they would eventually turn around and come to love the greater qualities of love, nurturing, compassion and empathy i had massive stockpiles and reserves of. I shoved all my chips to the center of the table all in, and became a HUGE white knight Mangina.

I got to have the pleasure of defending women from the barbs and negs of my player friends only to watch these same women i defended end up going home to sleep with them. My brain simply could not comprehend what the fuck was going on. What the fuck is wrong with these women? Oh Wait! I’m not allowed to question that.

One of the final straws was me being in stuck in an LJBF with a person whom i had mad loving feelings for. One day i confessed to her how i felt and told her the pain was just too great for me to bear and i needed a YES OR NO answer. She only wanted to be my friend. I said “you are going to lose that friendship… why not take the chance and give it a try?” She said no and ended that friendship rather than try a relationship with a ‘really wonderful and caring guy’. Her words.

2 weeks later she was fucking a player asshole narcissist dick in a NSA relationship. That dick was my former friend who knew how badly i wanted to be with her. He never missed an opportunity to rub it in my face how lovely her back looked. I guess she enjoyed doggy style.

She chose to fuck someone who cared not one bit for her and only used her for her vagina instead of someone who loved her. But it was OK because she was only looking for ‘fun’ and not a relationship.

My world shattered.

You can only go so long getting knocked down before you decide that it might be best to stay down. The litany of thoughts raging through my head were endless.

  • no one will ever love me
  • even the ones who ‘like’ you don’t want you
  • what chance do you have with those who don’t know you
  • no woman wants anything to do with me sexually
  • there must be something horribly wrong with me
  • i must be a hideous grotesque abomination
  • i will never feel the warmth of a woman’s skin
  • no woman will ever yearn or desire me
  • i would never look into a woman’s eyes as she drew me into her
  • i would never caress  a woman’s face
  • never again would i know what a passionate kiss felt like
  • never again would i be validated as a sexual human being
  • i don’t deserve love
  • i don’t deserve to go on, i don’t deserve to live
  • life will go on without me
  • no one will really miss me maybe
  • even if they do, no one cared enough when it mattered
  • how long would i need to run the car in the garage before i pass out
  • turn the key you coward
  • mom will find my body in the garage
  • she will understand, she knows you’ve been suffering
  • i might chicken out, i can’t do it this way
  • where can i get a gun
  • i can’t get one. but a pellet gun looks real..
  • maybe i can stage a bank heist, take hostages, wait for the cops and force them to do it
  • death by cop
  • i hope it doesn’t hurt too much when i die

This isn’t hyperbole. I lived those scenarios out in my mind numerous times. For all intents and purposes i was an evolutionary failure. With so much FAIL, my body began to realize it was not going to fulfill it’s primary biological function of reproduction and had begun to contemplate ways of me to expedite my removal from the gene pool. Death felt like my only answer.

Respect, Love Acceptance, Belonging. Not for me? OK. Russian roulette sounds fun at this point.

I don’t think many females on this planet can contemplate or wrap their head around the gravity of this.

  • I (and most men) cannot just walk into a bar, bat our eyelashes and get sexual validation on a moments notice for a quick ‘pick me up’
  • It’s not just about ‘sex’. (well, for me anyways)

It’s about the connection sex implies. Of being wanted, desired, to be loved both mentally and physically, to be validated, to share, to connect, feel alive, be human. Or maybe i just view sex differently than your average slut if they only view it as ‘just sex‘. Lately i’ve gotten the sense that a majority of men (read Beta/Delta/Omega) place more emotional ties to sex than women (and i’ve read a lot about how men are the more romantic sex).. which is so far removed from the script i grew up hearing that men are primal pigs and women want loving nurturing sex and commitment. But i always have to go back to Badger’s mind blowing comment he made here some time ago:

And women never seem to understand that sexual access is the highest, most direct assignment of value they can give a man – they think they are complimenting men when they tell them “you’re a great guy and you’ll make some woman really lucky someday! Those badboys I sleep with are just short-term flings, I’m not serious about them.”

F that noise. It also puts the lie to the conventional wisdom that sex is REALLY REALLY DEEP and IMPORTANT to women, and they won’t give it away except to a guy they think is a really good match.

Suffice it to say, somehow i held on. But i lost a huge part of my soul in the process and have been forever damaged by it. This isn’t something you ever recover from, you only bury it and keep piling more dirt over it, hoping to level out the massive bump, but it’s always there.

MOAR. DUMP MOAR DIRT. I CAN’T BURY THIS FUCKING THING! MOAR!

Misogyny. It doesn’t appear out of thin air.

Here’s the kicker.

Everytime… EVERY.MOTHER.FUCKING.TIME i could have taken corrective action, i was lied to. Each time my buddies told me that i had to become an asshole, (their way of saying don’t listen to what a woman wants, do what they go for) i was once again led astray by a woman.

By my mother
By my teachers
By magazine articles
By other girls i asked advice for
By Oprah
By my friendzone crush and object of my desire.
(and yes.. by my marriage counselor)

Unequivocally.

I can still remember getting mad enough after a while that i started acting like a dick. After all what i was previously doing wasn’t working.. try something new right? And what did the girl i crushed on tell me when she didn’t like my new attitude?

“YOU DON’T WANT TO BECOME AN ASSHOLE LIKE THAT, I KNOW YOU TOO WELL, DON’T CHANGE, YOU’RE SUCH A NICE PERSON INSIDE, DON’T RUIN YOURSELF“.

That line reverberated in my head everytime i knew my asshole friend was at her place fucking her like an animal.

Hence all the THINGS I FEEL at the start of this post. It’s visceral. I can’t control it. It’s a part of me now. I can only manage it. But to each and every one of those women who i used in the above THINGS I FEEL section, it is my firm belief that you simply have NO CLUE what loneliness is unless you’ve contemplated what gun metal tastes like as it rubs against your tongue pressing into the roof of your mouth.

If you truly believe that after 2 weeks, 3 months, a year of not having physical relations with the opposite sex is true suffering.. i ask you if you felt your life was in danger. If not.. you’re not suffering enough. If so.. TRY IT FOR 12 YEARS and get back to me.

I as a man, am programmed to want it almost every day, vilified for wanting it, and taught to be shameful of it, and to conform to a certain way of thinking to acquire it.

Women, who desire it mainly during ovulation, control the access of it and demand a resource extraction for it, FREELY cough it up wantonly when the mood strikes, not for ‘mating’ but for fun, to embrace it, explore it, enjoy it and with those more often than not, least worthy of it in terms of commitment or sticking around if pregnancy ensues.

This post makes me angry. It makes me feel a lot of things. Hurt. Shame. A sense of loss. Imprisoned in time. Time i’ll never get back.

It would have been better if i lost 12 years doing hard time in prison. At least i’d have an excuse. At least i’d have some badboy cred. Maybe even a tattoo?

In fact, you could call this my own personal rape. I’m sure women will be up in arms for me calling it that, but what is the criteria for it? I feel shame. I am unable to talk about it with others. I will invariably be blamed for the outcome i suffered because of the way *I* acted. Being beta was ‘wearing a miniskirt’. Acting like a NiceGuy was ‘being overly flirtatious’. Respecting women and pedestalizing them was going up to a guys room at 2am for a late night coffee.

I deserved it for being unattractive. You deserved it for being too attractive. We both got fucked and not in the way we wanted it.

You had no power and had violation inflicted upon you. I had no power or right to feel like a human being inflicted upon me.

You were penetrated against your will. Feminism and woman bent me over and fucked me up the ass while laughing at me.

We both wanted death.

Yet i was a source of ridicule, you are the poster child of Slutwalk.

And so it is.

But you can’t go back, you can only move forward and try and make the best of the time you got left. I do my best to leave it in the past as these feelings will not help me move forward in life, or allow me to be happy. But the bitterness of having been put on that path that scarred me forever by a bunch of lying misguided nonsensical feminine/feminist talking points about men being more in touch with their feelings and women preferring ‘nice‘ qualities over brutish, decisive, dominant behavior.. well i don’t think it will ever fade with time.

I paid a heavy price for believing it.

A DRY SPELL ENDS

I was at a nightclub celebrating the 30th birthday of my now ex-wife. I was 29. I really hated clubs, the atmosphere, the pretension, the obnoxious ego inflated women, overpriced alcohol, etc.. so i cut out of the party early and grabbed a taxi. I was in such a foul mood for having been there and just feeling miserable. So i told the cabby to go to the strip club i was familiar with. Inside i watched a sweet thin Polish girl dancing so i went to perv row. Since i was so angry at the world inside i must have subdued my NiceGuy™ really well, because i went full Dark Triad on this girl, and i had no clue that that term existed at the time. Finally i took her to the back for a quick dance.  I told her she was beautiful and she blushed. I asked her if she had a boyfriend and she said yes. I don’t know why but then i asked her if she was pissed off at him. I had no real reason to ask, i just did. She quickly opened up and said yes and started explaining why, all the while im touching her in all the right places. So i tell her “why don’t we go back to your place and give him something to really be pissed about”.. i guess my hands were doing the trick because she reached down and felt up my dick and said “im going to tell the DJ im ending early, meet me in the lot in 15 minutes”.

I didn’t even pay for the dance.

That night i discovered something. That 12 years of watching good quality euro porn helps you understand where and how to touch a woman in just the right places. The one thing i was terrified of was how long i’d last, and amazingly enough, not only did i go all night and give her two big OHHH’s… i actually had to fake my orgasm. I could have kept going. I couldn’t explain it, and i didn’t care to. My confidence level shot up to over 9000.

Confidence doesn’t come from inside as i had been lied to over the years. It grows over time through external validations of success. If you repeat the success you become more confident. Fail enough times and the confidence suffers. Just be confident they said, fucking idiots. Nailing this stripper and nailing her like a boss did the trick!

Over the course of the next year i would bang 3 more strippers, [stripper game, i had no fucking idea but looky here – link] getting into a casual with two of them for a time. I even fucked one inside the club.. and let me tell you the bouncer was a scary guy so i was playing with fire but damn what a thrill! I’ll never forget how wide eyed that cute Puerto Rican girl got when i eviscerated her buttugly girlfriend right in front of her when she called me ‘gay or something’ when i refused to go for a dance with her entitled ass. Soon as the ugly was gone, Latina heat dragged me into the VIP. 1 condom. 0 dollars. 1 sweet fuck. Priceless.

The girls of HookingUpSmart raked me over the coals for having such low class as to actually have sex with strippers. [yeah, ladies who are beautiful who take off their clothes for men for money fucking me for free perish the thought] Such a low opinion of me they had, that they debated if i was even worth going out with on a date if they knew i’d been with those strippers. My 12 years of hell were not mitigating enough to allay the stigma. Those dirty low class strippers..

Strippers who treated me as more human than the women i actually loved. Even the crazy one who stabbed her mother.

The knowledge of me banging strippers actually played to my advantage [preselection?] and allowed me to once again hook up with my ex-girlfriend who later became my wife. She seemed to enjoy quizzing me every so often as to how she compared to those ‘Ladies of the Night’ as she called them, always seeking validation that she stacked up and cut the muster. And much sexual satisfaction was to be had for a nice long time. Of course that was until the wife became unhaaapy with my reversion to betatude and showed me the door. That’s when i finally delved into the realm of the internet and discovered about Game, dominance, attraction triggers, evo psych, mra’s, pua’s, the manosphere. All the pretty lies perished, like domino’s falling in unison.

With the knowledge i acquired, the discipline of weight training and building up a body i am proud of and not ashamed of, learning how to be social, burying the beta and believing in my worth i finally am at a point in life where I have changed my views and outlook. I am not ruled by pussy.. i conquer it on my terms or leave it to it’s own useless fate. I’ve adopted an MGTOW lifestyle, do things with myself in mind first and foremost following my own imperative, will only entertain relationships with women who qualify themselves to me by bringing more to the table than pretty looks and a vagina, else they just get a pump n dump. The ability to not blink when i destroyed my final toxic LJBFzone relationship with an emotional vampire who expected all the benefits of relationship without returning what i needed.

5 years ago i’d have be in my room crying over it or worse, apologizing to her for hurting her feelings. Today, i stand tall and say FUCK IT, my own needs and interests come first before anyone else and im ready to move on to find one who desires and deserves all the awesomeness i have to give. I don’t care how angry she got or how any feminist might say i just played nice to get in her pants. I’M THROUGH PLAYING NICE. I’m built, confident, nothing left to prove, cannot be persuaded by the power of pussy, and doing what i like for myself. I don’t fall on my sword for the needs of others. Look to thine own ass first is the creedo.

It was a long and painful fuckless road for me, one i wish i didn’t have to go down. But i don’t get a mulligan, there are no re-do’s, there is no respawn. Whatever doesn’t kill you makes you stronger, and i’m still here. So i pause, reflect, introspect, identify, analyze and correct where i went wrong in the attempt to never repeat the mistakes, those fucking bluepill mistakes ever again. It’s called LEARNING and PERSONAL GROWTH. Evolution is a painful and messy affair.

But i’m feeling much better now, tho if you insist on bringing up your ‘dry spell’ story around me, just try and ignore the pained face i’m making as i envision you getting caught in a fire that melts your face off like the creepy black hatted dude in Raiders of the Lost Ark and so then you’ll know what a real dry spell is.

You haven’t a fucking clue what a dry spell is.

Some may say this was one long pitiful rant. Meh.. you could be right. But i feel it needed to be told, this tale of misery to triumph. As i see it, my part in this tale is over, my chapter is done. I’m too old to do anything about it now, you can’t go back. All i can do is keep my promise to not expend my valued time, energy or resources propping up a happy, had her fun with alpha’s and now settle with beta bux little old moi. Nope. I’m going lone wolf alpha and enjoying the rest of my life on my terms as i see fit. This isn’t about me anymore.

It’s about the next ‘me’ who’s in highschool or college right now, who’s sitting in his room alone at night wondering why some girl he really likes and treats well is off fucking some dude she just met at the bar. Who’s being ignored because of rampant hypergamy, inflated ego’s and facebook attention whores who vastly overrate their sex rank and will be lining up to get slaughtered by PUA’s and frat boys, only to go to complain to that poor, introverted, incel beta LJBF in training that all men are assholes and how if only she could find someone like him.

I want to break the endless cycle of suffering and teach these kids in high school to tell these evil leeches to go fuck themselves, break the LJBF, WORK OUT, build some mass, educate yourself, IGNORE the bitches and focus on yourself instead of chasing them and inflating their ego’s. You’ll be better off in the long run and well ahead of the game.

And you don’t have to worry about me. I keep at it p90x style, keep my body tight, i keep socializing, i keep looking for that diamond in the rough, i won’t reward entitled bitches with mind blowing orgasms but leave them to their pump and dump fates. I look 10,000 times better than i did before and can Dark Game tight young strippers again if i so choose. I have an open relationship married girl on the side (married ladies seem to love me, why?), i’m throwing innuendo at anything that’s got long legs and a vagina, i have the power to banish anything that flakes or cold shoulders me, i do not yield an inch to the power of pussy, and i’ve discovered a new form of Game that works for what i’m looking for in a woman. I call it Atheist game (soon to be post for my religious friends/readers). Let’s just say, the cute chaste and loyal good looking girl i’m looking for, is easier to spot when you play yourself as the devil and they don’t fail. This is what i want most. Reading the Rawness made me realize i will not heal my soul by going on a pump n dump spree nor make me a better person. No bandaids on fatal wounds.

Moving on Redpill style.

++

Epilogue:

So now you know where my cynicism and rage comes from. Now you know why it’s not a healthy idea for me to ‘man up and marry a slut’. Now you know why i hate feminism and it’s evil ideology. Now you know why i view slutty behavior as i do. Now you know why i intrinsically never believe what women say at face value, i only follow what they do.

Now you know why feminists call me a woman hater and a misogynist. The funny thing is i practiced feminism to the letter, and by treating women as human beings and respecting them as prescribed. I loved women and cared for women. I did all those nice things not simply to get into their pants, but because i was a decent human being, a human male, and someone who *wanted* to get into  a loving relationship with a woman.

And by loving women the way feminism asked, i was nearly destroyed for it.

Misogyny. No child was ever born with it. And here’s an ethical question for you to ponder. Yeah.. no one is ‘entitled’ to pussy, but for all the guys who have trouble mating due to Hypergamy-Gone-Wild™ (or as i call; the new normal).. what should we do with them? Euthanize them?

I’m sure there was more i could write into this, but i have to let it go at this point. And your eyes are probably bleeding, as are mine. I hope this post isn’t going to haunt me. If it keeps one young guy from taking a swan dive off a tall bridge, my work here is done. I just hope i don’t wake up thinking in my best Londo Mollari voice – “Great Maker, what have i done!”

753 comments


  1. [salutes]

    Serious respect to you, brother.

    Truly brave men can fight with out armor—as you just did.


  2. What Ace said.


  3. Fucking bravo. What a story. Incredible transformation, good on you.


  4. Wow, M3.
    Although you are right, I cannot fully appreciate your story (because I am not male), I can intellectually relate.

    Yours is (was) a sad story.
    I am glad you have found a way to live your life that you feel benefits you in the long run.
    Good luck!

    By the way, I liked your childhood photos.
    You were a cute little boy 🙂

    And I think your adult photos with the muscles are a good thing…for a start, they give you confidence…and you now know what we women are looking for in a man…confidence!
    Not to mention that muscles are a masculine trait. Even women who would be happy with a skinny man won’t turn up their nose at a muscular man!

    You are right to revel in your masculinity. Whether or not you are with a woman, your masculinity should always be evident.
    But of course you don’t have to hear this from anyone, you already know.


  5. Yeah… i know your pain.
    30 fucking years as software engineer with good career, nice guy, but experiencing LTBJ one after another
    watching as my ‘beloved’ ones get fucked by smooth badboys
    ONE good girlfriend (older than me) + ONE bitchy girlfriend + few prostitutes
    luckly – travelled last 5+ years and did not marry

    year ago started going PUA and gym…

    Getting better on both fronts: got few notches (UK in main city – PUA-saturated market and very difficult) and one STR (till cheated on), bench-pressing 90% of body weight
    Will get better hopefully

    Red Pill is hard and life is fucked up, like this.
    Still hoping for diamond (but not UK-bitch, my home country)


  6. what a disgusting comment


  7. Good article and one I can very much relate to. I’ve experienced similar issues and lengths of time (although if I imagine comparing notes, I have had it worse – I may blog about it some day). I’ve been sorting myself out for the past year. Part of me thinks most of the female sex deserve to die for their raging solipsism.

    It’s funny how a clubbing experience was somehow be a trigger for you / be a stepping stone – if you want to look at clubs differently – take a look at http://omniasententia.blogspot.com/2012/11/a-clubbing-experience.html


  8. Thank you for sharing your experience. I know that was a hard thing to write, and then to publish. Would you mind if I linked to it in a future post of mine? I’m not sure how future, because it’ll be a hard thing for me to write too…


  9. A little bit over the top guy, but I do like your blog.

    Do yourself a favour and let go of the rage. Don’t lose it; just don’t hold onto it so tightly. Your “game” will improve and you will be happier.

    2 words: Tom Leykis.


  10. You’re a god of the manosphere. Seriously (and no homo), but I guarantee you this post will resonate more profoundly with more men than 99% of what’s out there.

    When the dust finally settles on the manosphere and all the writers are dead, this is one of the few posts that deserves preservation. It’s timeless and universal. We’ve ALL been lied to. We’ve ALL been betrayed and used and led down the niceguy path without a single fuck given as to our well being.

    One man’s experience. Reflected in only god knows how many more lives (and some that ended too soon). We’re in your debt for writing about it.


  11. I hope this post isn’t going to haunt me.
    The next step on your progression is when you get to the point of, “I don’t give a shit if someone tries to throw this back at me in the future.” And you can bet some asshole WILL try. When it happens I hope you remember this: “That was then, this is now. It’s called maturity MOFO.”

    Good post and as others have written above, your story isn’t unique. Keep on plugging away at it bro. It’s a lifelong process. Like I told you before, for some it takes a lot longer to get there, for others less.


  12. yes, this silly idea that women can be incel for the same reasons needs to die. No hot guys to fuck =/= incel.


  13. My journey is similar to yours with a few differences.

    I became an evangelical Christian in my late teens and spent the next ten years heavily invested in Christian/church culture to the neglect of my own needs/wants/desires. I was fed all of the same nonsense you were, however my resolve/commitment/investment in being nice/doing the right thing was intensified due to “God” being involved and needing to live a life that was pleasing to “God”.

    Needless to say I stepped back 10 years later and said “wtf!?!”. This is all bullshit. The Christians who have what they want are no different than anyone else. The men who have hot wives are former bad asses or natural alphas. The ones who have success have acquired it pragmatically. Yet they claim Jesus brought their results.

    At any rate I feel a similar sense of betrayal and lost time. 10 years spent trying to be a “good Christian man” gone. I could’ve focused on myself, hit the gym, pursued an MBA, etc etc etc.

    There’s hope, but it’s hard feeling like you’ve wasted so much time and are handicapped as a result.

    Thank you for writing and publishing this.


  14. Glad you’re able to get this out and publish it man. It’s good to deal with this shit, get to a place where you’re unashamed, and also let it be seen so others can avoid it.

    I remember that thread on HUS where women were tearing you a new one for the strippers. I didn’t realize how antagonistic women were against them till then. Yet I bet if you them and met them in person instead of the cerebral cyber space, they’d have different opinions.

    Also, that girl you linked to that was whining about not getting sex for two weeks…. Did you check out her about section? Landwhale, HOOOOOOO! I’ll never take a woman’s complaints about not getting sex often enough seriously.


  15. Actually – two questions:
    – how long did it take you to get to this point of mindset?
    – what did you do to get to this mindset? (or how many girls you need to fuck to finally stop being needy)


  16. This! Fucking THIS!

    You recently were wondering over your place in the ‘Sphere and what role it was you could fulfill when heavyweights like Roissy, Rollo and Dalrock can make the case for the Red-Pill perhaps more eloquently than yourself…

    This post answers your own question brother. Your experience is more common than any of the feminist harpies who drive our western culture into the shit could ever grasp.

    I’ve sensed a kindred spirit in you since I found your blog and now know why. We have a lot in common and although the desert of Blue-Pill reality never brought me as low as it did you, I know those feels, man.

    Keep doing what you’re doing. When you start seeing more and more men in your comment section who lived through a common experience and now see the light, you’ll never have to question why it is that you do this. You said in your post that you lost a huge part of your soul over those 12 hard years… may I humbly suggest that this is where you regain it.

    Just think: you never had an M3 to guide you… our Blue-Pill brothers do.

    (and a big “FuckYeah!” for the Bab5 reference)


  17. Serious respect.


  18. you have begun a journey. it doesn’t matter how long it takes you to get there. just get there. you’ve awoken from a great slumber.

    welcome to the tribe.


  19. Amazing post, thank you for writing it. I am completely blown away, and I’ll be sharing it everywhere.


  20. Great post. It sounds a lot like my life.

    Swallowing the red pill is hard. But once you get past the rage that swallowing it induces, you can have the red-pill mindset without that rage… and everything in life suddenly becomes easier.


  21. Respect man. May not have been there to the extent you were but still see my thinking in yours. Am so glad I found a woman who overlooked my betaness for awhile until I stumbled upon the red pill. Not sure how long we would have lasted going the road I was on despite two kids and nine years of marriage. Whether you like it or not, you’re now one of the big voices in the sphere. Spread the word like a boss.You ARE making a difference with your message.


  22. Powerful post.


  23. You got the last round, so it was my turn.

    Next one’s back to you.


  24. “You said in your post that you lost a huge part of your soul over those 12 hard years… may I humbly suggest that this is where you regain it.”

    +1

    And very well said.


  25. As you and a couple others said, I will never feel sympathy for a woman complaining about a dry spell, even if I want to. I just can’t. It’s like complaining that the sauna is too hot to someone who’s been in a desert for 15 years.

    Funny thing – a female friend of mine has been having a dry spell with her husband. She doesn’t talk about it with me much because she says it would be “rude,” knowing my own situation. I know she means well, but somehow phrasing it the way she did just feels patronizing somehow. I don’t know why, it just does. Only thing I can think of is that since she’s a woman, she could go out any time she wants to and get some with no trouble.

    “It’s about the next ‘me’ who’s in highschool or college right now, who’s sitting in his room alone at night wondering why some girl he really likes and treats well is off fucking some dude she just met at the bar… only to go to complain to that poor, introverted, incel beta LJBF in training that all men are assholes and how if only she could find someone like him.”

    And yet somehow when these girls become single again, they never call him.


  26. Wow M3, this is one strong post. I wish you well man.


  27. Curious to know what is disgusting about my comment, Ahab. Care to explain?


  28. I’m confused. She refuses to talk with you about her dry spell. I would have thought it would be patronizing to complain about the dry spell, since she, as a woman, can get some any time, as you say. What would happen if she did talk about it? After all, she is a friend, would honesty be good? Not trying to be argumentative, just really trying to understand.


  29. Serious respect M3. Those of us who were beta sized, without any real male guidance were chewed up and spit out. Yet when we make it we bring it. Fuck marriage. Fuck relationship game. Get a new girlfriend every 3 months. We all die alone and a wife would leave you anyway once the going gets rough.


  30. Amazing post. It was raw, candid. It should be preserved.

    I read where HookingUpSmart explained that hypergamy is in our genes, but women falling for men who treat them like dog shit is NOT hypergamy. I don’t know what it is. It’s some kind of attraction to a man like their daddy, a man who didn’t want them, and had no love for them.

    A lot of my beautiful girlfriends get involved with men who abuse them emotionally, verbally and sometimes physically. That’s some sort of mental disorder right there: to choose to be with partners who abuse you.


  31. Agreed.


  32. By all means dear, by all means link away


  33. How long to which mindset? The 12 year one before i snapped and went to the strip club or the 2 months it took for me to discover the sphere on the internet after separating from my wife? By the time i found the sphere, i was already on p90x and looking to change who i was. Finding the sphere was like using a strategy guide on how to win the game by knowing exactly what to change and how to change it. But the determination was there right from the moment i left my home for the final time.

    You can stop being needy without fucking anyone. You simply have to discover that you have a life independent of women. If you need a woman to complete you, you’re life needs work. One thing all women say is they don’t want to be dependent on them for their happiness exclusively. They want to complement you, not complete you. And once you reach that point, you also have the all the power to walk away and not blink if the pussy thinks it owns you to do what it wants with you.

    Take charge of your own life so worthy pussy qualifies to you, not the other way around.


  34. Emotional, verbal and physical abuse can be dominance markers, and the female tendency to be attracted to dominance (alpha) is precisely an aspect of hypergamy. And when the ‘abusive’ man shows an occasional hint of kindness/gentleness, it lets the woman hamsterbate that “He really loves/cares about me.”

    HookingUpSmart explained that hypergamy is in our genes, but women falling for men who treat them like dog shit is NOT hypergamy.

    Heh, riiiiiiiight.


  35. I could buy it except that hypergamy is very plastic. Culture strongly affects it, and it’s different around the globe.


  36. In other words, mental issues.


  37. Well, the bottom line is that men who treat their women like garbage will never have any real trouble picking up women, wherever they go. Not that all women will put out for them; it’s just that they will have no trouble finding women who will. Dry spells aren’t something they really need to worry about, in other words.

    Whether you want to chalk it up to hypergamy or culture is pretty much irrelevant to the big picture, really.


  38. As an aside, while dominant jerks may have no trouble finding girlfriends, a lot of less dominant men who might otherwise be good and decent do have trouble with that, and might go months or even years with no action to speak of.

    Funny how that works…


  39. I don’t disagree. I just don’t think that it can all be laid at the feet of hypergamy. There’s other issues going on with women.


  40. Fair enough.


  41. I don’t get it either, Notice that I didn’t say she was being patronizing, just that it felt that way to me for some reason I couldn’t fathom, and tossed out the only explanation I could come up with.

    She did talk to me once, and I told her what my deal was, I was just commiserating, not trying to one-up her – or maybe I was and didn’t consciously realize it. But the next time she brought up her problem, she almost immediately backed off, saying it would be rude or insensitive to talk to me about it. Felt kind of like I was getting a pat on the head and a “there, there.”


  42. […] I grew up in a medium sized down in Pennsylvania to married parents and a stay at home mom. I was brought up in the church, first Catholic, then Lutharen, then a relatively Conservative Evangelical church. As a result of having a mom who was very protective and fearful in general, and a father who didn’t give me much in the way of advice on women or most topics in general (I am the type of person who liked to learn from wisdom), I was became ultimate Beta. Not to say I didn’t have girls who became interested in me, it’s just that I would perceive their interest then immediately start supplicating to them in order to make them happy (a proven strategy, proven to fail that is). And the church youth group wisdom and all that didn’t help either. I’ve also toyed with the idea of launching a class action lawsuit against Joshua Harris for the damage done by his unmentionable book. I also strongly identified with M3′s post: https://whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/confessions-of-a-reformed-incel/ […]


  43. Ah, ok, thanks for the answer.


  44. You are right on, Retrenched. Men who treat women like shit will never have a problem getting women.

    Whereas the decent guys can go their whole lives and never have a single date.

    It’s a mental disorder because I have NEVER allowed a man to abuse me. Yet, I like successful alpha males.


  45. Mike, I wanted to add something else. The woman who Friendzoned you—but went for the asshole instead—she’s lying when she says she’s just having “fun” and not looking for a “serious” relationship. She’s saying that to save face ’cause she knows he isn’t going to commit to her.

    If he proposed, she would accept it instantly, and squeal with delight.


  46. Men who treat women like shit have no problem finding women to fuck because those men are the ones who don’t care about rejection or women’s feelings. They don’t care about rejection, because they know if they play the game long enough they’ll eventually find a woman who will give it up.


  47. Epic post and, as another commenter mentioned, it will become legend. I’m posting on it today.


  48. Women have no idea just how exquisitely painful involuntary celibacy is.

    Every woman has the luxury of knowing if she wants sex, she’ll be able to get it. Might not be the best, but she’ll be able to get something.


  49. […] Confessions of a Reformed InCel (“InCel” refers to involuntary celibacy) […]


  50. […] Confessions of the Involuntarily Celibate […]


  51. Man. There’s nothing I can say, being a woman. But I really do wish I had the guts to send this to my quiet, too nice younger brother who, at 25, seems to be experiencing something similar. Kudos for hitting publish.


  52. Feel you bro. I had a similar story, only 5 years dry spell but still.


  53. true story


  54. Do you hate him? If so, you should probably keep him in the dark.


  55. This is the most important piece I’ve ever read in the manosphere. There are literally millions of other men (billions?) who can relate in varying degrees to your post. I hope it reaches even a small % of them. Well done and much, much respect, bro – I’m sure it wasn’t easy.


  56. I totally relate to this. In fact, I have fought the temptation of posting in anger much like you have. Anger needs to be let out. However, in my case, I’m somewhat terrified what that release would look like.

    This is far more common than anyone in society realizes. Most guys are ashamed of it not being able to get sex when they want because of what it implies about them, so they never speak up.

    This is why the Manosphere is growing. It will continue to grow at a faster rate than anyone thinks possible.


  57. Cakes & Shakes, I do get why you would be nervous or awkward about sharing this with your brother, but I implore you to find a way to do so. I can’t say I was at the ‘gun-in-mouth’ stage that M3 was, but my overall quality of life has increased exponentially since making a similar transformation. And I mean that from a mental standpoint – confidence, elation vs. depression, just overall way more happy in life – it’s not just all about banging more chicks.

    Give it to someone else to give him, leave it up on his computer, or whatever, but do something. By ‘knowing’ and not sharing with your brother, you might as well be telling him to keep being himself because he’s so nice and sweet and someone is out there for him… ya dig?


  58. Props, it’s usually the hardest things to say that need to be heard the most. I’m sorry you had to go through this. At least now that you’ve taken the bull by the horns it only gets easier, but as always I’m a little sad when men swallow the red pill and swear off long term relationships with women as a result.


  59. Well told. I especially like the bit at the end, where you point out that you acted the way you did as a beta because you loved and respected women and wanted to have a real relationship with one.

    I’ve noticed that women tend to think a supplicating guy is actually cynically trying to manipulate them. They don’t think it’s possible that you could really care about them and want the best for them, hoping for more but not insisting on it. The thinking seems to go: “He can’t really want to do me these favors for nothing in return, so he must be trying to sneakily work his way into my bed. Lying bastard.” I’m not sure how much they really think that, and how much it’s a way to rationalize not being attracted to a guy who supplicates.

    Either way, it’s sad to think you’ve got all these guys who are trying to develop a romance the way they’ve been taught, and all these women who see that as a con job.


  60. “it’s sad to think you’ve got all these guys who are trying to develop a romance the way they’ve been taught, and all these women who see that as a con job.”

    This.

    If you boil it down, EVERYTHING is a ploy because at its heart, all men want relationships with women, and putting our best face/foot forward used to show our quality. Now it’s our ability to be crude/rude/asshole that wins the sexual intimacy.

    Yet they get pissed when they can’t extract the good ‘niceness’ for free without a return. Hence ‘playing nice’.


  61. Send him something from the sphere. Some basic game advice. Or maybe the no more mister nice guy book. Badgers blog for a gentle intro to game. Or this:

    http://www.girlschase.com/insights


  62. Epic post!


  63. Props for getting this out man. I’ll be linking to it.


  64. Yeah. I should. He’s such a great guy, but so shy. Thanks for the input!


  65. Fucking gold, man. Fucking gold.


  66. Excellent post. Should be required reading for every male who hasn’t been laid by age 18. God knows I wish I’d had someone drill this into me 30 years ago.


  67. Fucking hated reading this post. It hit so close to home, I just wanted it over. I’m glad I did though. I’m having a tough time choking down that red pill. I want to vomit it back up, but the truth, no matter how harsh, will set you free.

    Thanks for being honest.


  68. If I had a son (I’ve only got a daughter) I’d be saving this post right now and giving it to him as he became a young man.
    It is our responsibility as men to save as many of the next generation as we can from the fate that M3 and many others of us went through.


  69. […] Read the rest here. […]


  70. I’ve discovered game and the manosphere some 2.5 years ago. I was close to the point M3 describes.

    I’ve often wondered – if I knew a guy who’s suffering as I have, what would be the best way to expose him to the manosphere?

    Now, I have the answer.
    This post is the first thing a newcomer should read.

    We should prompt DD to nail this post to the top of his manosphere aggregator.


  71. Kinda funny when you think about it. Men offering women love, relationships, and commitment, when all the women really want is a good hard fucking from a guy who can seduce her and make her wet almost right away.

    Funny, considering that pop culture memes and Dr. Phil tell us just the opposite.

    But hey… if that’s all women really want from us, might as well give it to ’em, I say.


  72. BTW, I’m sure none of the women who read and post here are like that, not at all. So no need to tell us NAWALT, we already know. 😉


  73. Awesome post. Thank you.


  74. Powerful stuff. You have my respect.


  75. 6. No one has held me, touched me, hugged me in such a long time. Humans need physical contact. I don’t feel human.

    This… Everyday this right here.


  76. You have my eternal respect! Great post. I just bookmarked it so I can read when I start doubting the red pill direction. Keep it up!


  77. I think it’s funny how social acceptance, relationship success, and societal successes are things we crave so horribly in the first world. In the third world people are just worried about food and are happy to be alive with their families.

    I wonder if when food, shelter, and a living become fairly steady commodities, if socializing becomes so difficult to balance things out.

    Just a thought.

    Whenever I feel frustrated or let down by recent struggles, I think of people who are starving from day to day, most likely starving to death, women who are beaten to death in backwards countries and women who aren’t allowed to become educated or who are forced to marry at 14 and it gives me resolve to keep going.

    And even in those darkest, scariest moments, and in those horrific places, God is there for everyone. I watched a documentary on sex trafficking recently and the women even said that they knew God would be with them and love them no matter what.

    God loves us all.

    If you could just envision that during your times of darkness….instead of letting the devil make you feel misery for your life, let God help you rejoice for being alive! You have so much to be happy about! And you are His child!


  78. Respect, M3! I’m sure this post took lots of courage and contains so much truth! You describe the hell generations of men (myself included) lived in and still do. Same as you I don’t like to think too much about those lost years (the not so golden twenties). Why has nobody told us?

    But there is also hope as your story shows excellently. I never let my son grow up with all those lies.

    All the best for you and all fellow warriors out there. Let’s broadcast the red pill knowledge as widely as we can.


  79. Try going 12 years without any positive attention or validation from the opposite sex at all, and then get back to us.


  80. Point being… just because others go through horrible ordeals like you mentioned doesn’t make M3’s pain any easier to deal with.

    Taken to its logical conclusion, you’re saying that only the unluckiest person alive has any right to be upset about his hardships at all; everyone else should just be thankful it isn’t them, no matter what else they might be dealing with.


  81. Subscribe


  82. God doesn’t keep the bed warm. 🙂


  83. That’s because Western women have absolutely no idea how to elicit commitment from men they want commitment from. Low-IQ women living in shitholes like Somalia or Bolivia somehow know how to master this “art”. Western women don’t.


  84. M3,

    Methinks, if you hadn’t already, that you just arrived. Fantastic post. I’ll be linking to it.


  85. […] case any of you missed this amazing post by M3, please go read it now.  It’s an incredibly poignant post of his younger years and what […]


  86. It is for Men like you, and stories like this that I started writing and will continue to write what I do.


  87. “You can only go so long getting knocked down before you decide that it might be best to stay down. The litany of thoughts raging through my head were endless.

    •no one will ever love me
    •even the ones who ‘like’ you don’t want you
    •what chance do you have with those who don’t know you”

    I didn’t have 12 years (more like 2 or 3 — that was bad enough), but I remember well these same thoughts.

    I also remember these:

    –it’s always going to be this way
    –it will never get better
    –I will have to live the rest of my life like this
    –I will never have sex again
    –No woman will ever touch me again

    Those were horribly dark days.

    Women have absolutely no idea the immense pain this causes.


  88. I don’t get often get the chance so i’ll say it now. Yours is the most impressive writing i know, and i followed you through HUS. Your byline is well deserved. My eyes hurt. I never used them before.. until your page. It’s a mixed bag, as every post seems to dishearten me to the world yet break one more shackle. I’d rather be free and understand why the world isn’t all sugar and candy colored roses instead of blissfully ignorant and willfully walking off cliffs on an idealistic hope and a prayer. i’ve referred my married friends, not married friends, strange women to your site, mostly out of fear that i can’t regurgitate your words properly enough to do your thoughts justice.

    i’m not a betting man.. but i have a whole .50 cents on it that somewhere down the road you’ve saved some guys life by waking him from his slumber before losing his mind and his hope.

    i think i speak for everyone here when i say thank you for what you do.


  89. i think this is why we will never let go of the double standard. there will never be an understanding of the uneven disparity between chasers vs. choosers. it’s not a lie that only the most disfigured or grotesque women (who would have my complete sympathy) would ever feel the plight of a male incel who is in the same boat not because he is hideous or disfigured, but because he can’t turn on instant douchebag awesomeness at the flick of a switch.. or lord have mercy.. that he’s just too fucking nice and respectful.


  90. It’s the feminist Catch-22, a brand particularly flogged by Amanda Mancunt. Feminists decry Nice Guys who treat women with respect, deference, and supplication because they genuinely like/love those women and are actually living feminism as they were taught. They taught men to act this way and then turn around and call these men “creepy,” that they “feel entitled” to sex and are just being nice to wheedle sex out of women.

    It’s a lie that needs to be brutally beat from existence wherever it appears. And thanks to your courage and honesty in writing and posting this, M3, this may become a primary weapon in that fight.


  91. Looking forward to your post on “atheist game.”

    I have a feeling you are on the same page as us orthodox Christians despite a century of feminist divide-and-conquer strategies, and I will be happy to provide the necessary clarifications for unity and correction.


  92. I’m not saying it isn’t real, but I’m giving him hope. If people who are going through those ordeals can find peace and love with God, then HE can as well.

    Furthermore:

    “Try going 12 years without any positive attention or validation from the opposite sex at all, and then get back to us.”

    >Implying I haven’t been bullied
    >Implying I haven’t been trashed and ridiculed by the opposite sex
    >Implying that I seek validation based on how other people see me vs. how God sees me (and how I see myself…through Him).
    >implications

    @fi:

    You could argue that He does, when he sends the right partner to you. You might say this isn’t literal. Well God offers us all ETERNAL LIFE. So…yeah.


  93. stormy, shut up


  94. LostSailor:

    Awesome comment. This is so true. Let me just add that this was an incredible bait-and-switch. Feminists told men that supplication, deference and respect are attractive and sexy. Feminists told men that if men act this way, they will attract women, and attracting women means sex.

    So men did what they were told was attractive. Then they get irritated, agitated and even pissed off that what they were told doesn’t work, and in fact is shown to be an absolute lie.

    Then feminists like Marcotte call them “nice guys” (in scare quotes), and say “those “nice guys” aren’t really nice. They are assholes who are acting and putting on a nice guy act. Then when they get rejected, they call us bitches and whores and threaten us. They aren’t nice guys. They are assholes.”

    Well, Marcotte, you told them to be nice. Then when they are nice, they get rejected. They get understandably pissed off when they realize that the female advice is EVEN WORSE than the male advice they got from Dad and Scoutmaster John and Father Patrick, which didn’t work either.


  95. I really hope you do decide to direct your brother to this.

    It’s nice to see a sister willing to help her brother out and steer him the right direction.

    Too often sisters or other family are just as nasty as some random chick would be to a guy.


  96. This is one of the most searingly honest and heartfelt things I’ve read in quite some time.


  97. […] of the week: M3 on his years as an InCel. Sure to become a […]


  98. Dude…you just negged the entire feminine sex. This one needs to be immortalized.


  99. I would still give the post to your daughter, as a guide on what NOT to do to a man.


  100. JZB,

    We could be brothers so similar are our stories. When it comes to relationship advice Christians are full of crap. The advice I got given to me when growing up was from utterly clueless Christian feminists who didn’t know shit about relationships at least modern ones.


  101. I applaud you. How did it feel to write this and get it of your chest? I am 30 years old and your 12 years of hell sound like my life so far. I recognise all your thoughts on this subject. Except I have been in this predicament for 30 years now. Time to MGTOW? Maybe even start a blog?


  102. Holy shit! Now thats some post.


  103. Awesome post I can easily relate to – 24 yo old, never had sex, so I guess that means I’m on decade-long dry spell or so (I blew my first chance to have sex with a hot girl at 14). In high school I’ve watched all the cute girls I like get nailed by the jocks and dumped the other day, and in college I basically ignored all the girls because of the resentment I felt. Classic case of a blue pill nice guy.

    Luckily, I swallowed the red pill a year ago and although no sex as of yet at least I know what do I need to do to get some. Also, peace of mind is important; although I was never really depressed with the lack of sex (I guess videogames “helped” with that, hah) to the point you described here, I was always worrying about it. Now I don’t really, I’m simply working on becoming a better man (in other words, more manlier).

    Terrific post.


  104. It felt like shit. It still feels like shit. I always knew i wasn’t alone, but i had no clue how far reaching it went or how much of an impact this post would be.

    For all intents and purposes i was shouting into the void. I had no clue what a response in terms of numbers and feedback this would produce.

    The only consolation i get for hanging my pathetic past out to dry for everyone to see is the hope that it kicks some guys into action to stop eating bluepills and go red, to instill hope that they can change, and to let them know they’re not alone.


  105. “Now you know why feminists call me a woman hater and a misogynist. The funny thing is i practiced feminism to the letter, and by treating women as human beings and respecting them as prescribed. I loved women and cared for women. I did all those nice things not simply to get into their pants, but because i was a decent human being, a human male, and someone who *wanted* to get into a loving relationship with a woman.”

    Sorry, but everytime I hear something like this it is always inevitable that the man is looking for a hot gorgeous beautiful stunning gorgeous model babe to have a loving mutually respectful relationship with. It is also inevitable that the same man is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS overlooking the nice, kind, sweet average looking next door.

    Yes, I was a fucking female virgin until the ripe old age of 34 because I was ALWAYS bypassed for the hotter, prettier, more gorgeous ones – even by average joes with average lives and average jobs and even by the not very attractive guys because they always thought they could hook the prettier ones. I was NOT fat (in fact quite slim but on the short side) only average looking – maybe a 5 on your HB scale.

    So, if you want to rail against not finding female compansionship and love and that women have standards that are too high, maybe have a look at your own standards and work out if maybe you are aiming too high in the looks department – not unlikely from reading of how men are contemptous of women not an 8 or above.

    Yes, I sound fucking angry and bitter because I didn’t have a boyfriend until I was 34 and only when I lost all hope and gave up and considered becoming a nun that finally it happened – with someone who did not care that I didn’t look like a Victoria Secret model. Thank God for him.


  106. Hi MP3,

    My story is not dissimilar to yours. I was in a relationship for 20 years, married for 15 of those, and sexless for the last 3. I didn’t go as long, and I don’t believe I was as depressed, but I have felt your pain and confusion. Your story struck home. It’s like everything we’ve been told is wrong. All we have been taught about being a good husband sabotages the respect and attraction that brought us together in the first place.

    -Greg


  107. XXX…..

    You didn’t understand or connect with the idea or point behind this at all. You latched onto the one paragraph that inspired the most emotional response within you and blithely ignored the context of his post.

    This is a man who is attractive enough to get strippers when he doesn’t play by the rules. Who is in shape and able to trigger the short term attraction switches in women and also proven he can provide for a wife. He landed that wife, describes her as very attractive.

    And it all fell apart for this very simple reason – he gave them all what society (and likely the individuals themselves) told him they wanted.

    Let that sink in. He gives them. What. They. Say. They. Want.

    Then they treat him poorly and you have the results you see here in this post.

    As to your claim of ‘shooting too high’…. He might have high standards, yes, but he has shown that he’s able to achieve those standards unlike some whining little porky standard american boy that wishes women would love him for who he is and make excuses on why he doesn’t keep in shape or do anything but play DnD – who even then could be following the same damn script that all the women in his life gave to M3.

    Then you women whine about how theres no good men any more and where have all the good men gone. I don’t give either the women nor the men that ignore realities in favor of pretty lies excuses. I simply want to line both up and go down the line slapping women and boys alike. If the men complained I’d punch them in the arm and tell them to man up. If the women complained, I’d likely be more severe and tell them that they’re a horrible person, their souls are like dog shit, everything about them is ugly, and to get the fuck out.


  108. In addition – did you ever do anything proactive to land such a boyfriend? Learn to cook, to clean, to be feminine? To appeal to something more than the looks you say you didn’t have?

    Were your own standards too high? Did you follow a career girl script that men don’t find appealing? Especially if you went into a career that is completely unfeminine (as most women do). Did you invite men you were interested in to some innocent coffee shop, then put your hand on his arm and smile into his eyes?

    Shit, it really is that easy for women. Stop trying to be a sob story or make this all about you. The rest of the world will listen to you, pat you on the back, and tell you you deserve more.

    This part of the world is for men and men’s voices. I’ll feel slight twinges of sympathy for you, but nothing near what I feel for M3’s story. Yet you’ll still get just as much truth from me as M3 does:

    In the dating world, barring rare circumstances, women get exactly what each of them deserves.


  109. For me – this right here was better than the post itself.

    Keep working man. Lifting and carrying this shit aroundt is like muscles – it burns until you’re stronger.


  110. XXX, lol


  111. I could have written a similar post. I don’t have a sphere blog. I actually gave up blogging a while ago.

    I grew up in a christian cult similar to the Jehovahs Witness belief structure. Nearly identical in fact. The only thing I can think of that we did differently was to not knock on people’s doors looking for new recruits. This belief structure was something I internalized as a young adult, and for other family-matter reasons I grew to put a huge premium on self-control to the point of near self-induced monkhood.

    I remember the words of my first girlfriend (we were 14-15 at the time) as repeated to me by an LJBF of mine… “When is he gonna kiss me?” This relay of frustration with my own sexual restraint didn’t even phase me at the time. After all, I was demonstrating self-control! I was treating the women with respect as called for by the cult I was in and feminists everywhere, how could I be wrong? That relationship lasted all of 2 months if I recall correctly. I was very young.

    My next girlfriend was one who had witnessed my previous relationship. She was also in the cult with me (as was the first). This relationship lasted even longer, but was only sustained by 18-30 page letters we would write each other every week and hand to each other at church services. Eventually there came a day when she invited me to her house when her parents were away. This was a big risk for me. I didn’t have a car at the time, only a bicycle. I rode well outside of my allowed zone to roam from my parents house to sit with her in her living room. We cuddled for about 2 hours. The entire time I was completely restraining myself from escalating the way in which I was touching her or advancing the cause of intimate contact in any way. The relationship broke down only a month or so after that if I’m not mistaken. It took me nearly 20 years to finally realize why that relationship failed.

    From that relationship (which was sexless, hell we didn’t even make out), at about age 17… until the age of 30, I had no girlfriends, no sexual encounters, no make out sessions, no intimate validating contact of any kind. I lost my virginity at age 30. During that time I had 3-4 LJBF’s that strung me along for years at a time, just as M3 mentions in this post.

    Through a combination of feminism playing right into the hand I was dealt as a young adult who had internalized a lot of bullcrap self-control nonsense from a christian cult I find myself at age 38, with essentially only 1 sexual encounter in my life and no serious girlfriends. I had woman after woman telling me to just be yourself, be respectful, be kind, etc… I did at least have an attractive body and was working out regularly. But again, my self-restraint kept me from acting on any natural impulse that being a fit young man gives you. My prison was self made, and so well made that it needed no security guards watching the doors.

    Everything that M3 says is correct. Miraculously I also managed to discover this on my own.

    It is not wrong to call this rape. I call it rape, I called it rape before I read this blog post by M3. Rape is about power, it’s about lopsided power being used to extract that which one person is not willing to give. When women tell men lies about how they should act and behave all while extracting emotional support from someone they know likes them as more than a friend, that is rape. There’s no other word for it. I was told that if I showed self-restraint and respect towards women, I would be rewarded. I exceeded those worthless goals, I met and exceeded all feminist expectations of male behavior. I was not rewarded, I was punished through being ignored. Instead of receiving attention and all-important intimacy from women for my efforts at respect and (if you’ll pardon the ego) attractive body and personality, I was nearly purposely ignored. I stand 6’2″, blond hair, blue eyes. I’ve been around 200lbs most of my adult life, and I had a swimmers body for a lot of that (not anymore obviously)… I was ignored entirely because my training at not truly being a man was so perfect, I behaved that way naturally.

    I have one remaining LBJF friend from those days still in my life. She’s married and has a kid now. We see each other 3-6 times a year, usually at a random friday-off breakfast somewhere in Los Angeles. I loved her for years, she knew it. She actually appreciated the horrendous prison I had put myself in, but was powerless to alter her feelings about me. It was like asking oil to mix with water all while most of the oil is telling the water to just be itself. She recognized the prison I had put myself in, but was also unable to offer any worthwhile suggestions as to how to extract myself from it. At some point she finally started telling me that I needed to be more of an asshole. It didn’t help because I wasn’t even capable of questioning my own prison.

    We’re still friends, but I don’t love her anymore. It’s actually a relief to say that.

    I’m still tall, still attractive. I make more than $100k a year (which isn’t much in Los Angeles, but decent). I own and ride a motorcycle. I go sailing regularly. I even live on a friends 50+ foot yacht right now (marina living is nice)… Women still aren’t knocking down the doors, in fact it’s actually work to find someone at this point (but I’m fairly old for gaming these days, so no biggie). Nothing in this world matters more than being a man first, looking out for yourself first. The feminist nonsense amounts to little more than endentured servitude emotional rape.


  112. […]   by M3 November 21, 2012 at 9:22 am […]


  113. Excuse me, miss.

    The men are talking.


  114. Welcome to the fold, man:

    Much respect for that post – you’ve earned it.


  115. “It felt like shit. It still feels like shit.”

    This pain never fully goes away. It still hurts every time I go back to those memories.


  116. Great post. Sharing your story let’s us know that we are not alone regardless of our individual circumstances. It’s so important to expose the feminist lies that so many of us swallowed hook, line and sinker. If it can help one man to “wake up” like I did a couple of years ago (at age 45) by stumbling across Heartiste/Roosh, then you’ve done a great thing.


  117. I don’t feel the anger toward women you display in the begining of your post but virtually all of the rest is dead on. Lived with a girl for 4 years. Ended in 1989 or ’90? I’m 6 ft tall 180 8.5% body fat, squat and deadlift 315. Super fit. Was competitive speed skater. I know a few women who are happy to see me and talk to me, who value my advice and writing skills. I’ve learned over and over again that my job is to know where the line is that I’m not allowed to cross. I’ve learned how painful the landing is back on my side of because I’ve been tossed back over so many times. I’ve learned I’m not allowed to go near it. Last kissed a girl in 1994 (I think). Incel since that ’89 or ’90. I’ve found that trying to isolate myself from the emotional pain has pushed me toward self-reliance and independent things I can do on my own, which becomes more isolating with less opportunity. I accepted a long time ago that I didn’t have enough to offer, but didn’t know where to get help or what kind of skill I needed. I’ve never played a video game in my life but work is isolating and time consuming. Don’t care because I love the challenge. I’m just working real hard to make enough money and hopefully develop skills and expertise that a woman might actually care about. Hoping someday to have have enough to offer, but obviously running out of time.


  118. Ha! I nearly spit my premium single-barrel Bourbon on my monitor and keyboard. Good one…


  119. M3, this was super interesting, thanks for writing it. A lot of men seem to be able to relate, but I think this is really a good read for women because we generally can’t relate. Despite what XXX wrote above, I doubt that most women experience that kind of drought, and they never experience droughts because of trying to conform to a lie like “be nice, just be yourself.” Really, most women have no idea what a dry spell or repeated rejection is like.


  120. […] goddamnit, I squirmed while I read this…. […]


  121. […] […]


  122. […] no offence to religious guys, but abstaining is more attainable, though not necessarily easier, than 3+ partners a […]


  123. Hey M3,
    I won’t pretend to try to understand what going through this was like, but I just wanted to say kudos to you for writing/reliving it. I remember well our interactions at HUS, and it seems like you’ve made some really great strides in the last year. There’s nothing quite like writing to help you set goals/work through your shit.

    I also suffer from manic depression, so I at least relate on that level, though I cannot imagine what it would be like to deal with it alone. You deserve mad props for managing that, on top of everything else, even though it probably didn’t feel like “managing” at the time.

    I have considered sending my brother to this edge of the internet (first I’d have to delete my blog in case he stumbled on it lol). He’s only 21 but he’s never had any type of physical contact with a girl and sometimes I worry he’s headed in this direction.


  124. Thanks M3, you have done a great service to men by posting this. Your situation is very similar to mine, only I haven’t had suicidal thoughts or banged strippers. I have turned to hobbies, video games and porn to distract or satiate myself. To not be accepted as a sexual being by women is the single biggest monkey on my back. It is comforting to know that I am not the only one, and that the way I feel about it is shared by others. I’ve been weight training for a decade; every day I look in the mirror and see how I look damn good for a middle-aged man and people are always telling me I look younger than my age and yet it gets me nowhere with women in my age group or younger. I have only recently swallowed the red pill but I always knew something was wrong. Nobody ever explained to me what it was until I found these blogs on the internet. Thank God for the internet!

    What really annoys me these days is the sexual double-standard. All these young women flaunting sex in my face, getting away with shit that would get me chewed out or fired from my job or worse. If I do or say something sexual I’m a pig and a chauvenist but if a woman does the same thing it’s “you go girl!”. Meanwhile I sit at my desk and stew with a wasted hard-on. These women with their “dry spells” and “problems” but to them scarcely any man is worthy, even the plain ones have this attitude. “Where are all the good men?” they say! Shut the fuck up! They wouldn’t know a good man if their own mother introduced him.


  125. Excellent MP3 … at age 51 am just now coming to realize that what you wrote of, what you have lived, is an absolute truth. Am 3 years into the single life that my wife of 23 years left me with after she fucked off with a twice married, bi-polar looser … and was over 2 years into involutary celibacy until I met a vivacious, attractive gal who literally threw herself at me, validated me and made me feel like a human being again … telling me that I “made her feel beautiful”, was “good for her soul” and “you are hands-down the most decent man I have ever met” … I could not believe my luck! Finally an a woman accepted ME for actually being the “nice guy” that I had always been proud of myself for being. Then reality hit … 2 months after we had started seeing each other she packed off with a guy whom had been hitting on her at our local coffee shop for almost the entire time we were together … and the reasons she ended it with me were given as, “no room in her life for a realtionship” and “needing time to concentrate on her kids and her job” … appealing to my “nice side” … what decent guy would realize the importance of a woman’s children and graciously step aside? And that’s exactly what I did … only to find out a week after that she was off running around with coffee shop guy … jesus christ … what a kick in the nuts …
    This latest rejection devastated me for a couple of months, but I am learning, slowly … you are right, women may claim they want a “nice guy”, but it isn’t true … most are hard-wired otherwise …


  126. Thank you for sharing. Every point resonates with me. I will be printing a copy of this post and hanging it on my wall. The only thing that stopped me from going too far down the incel path as you have (though I felt all you have felt, short of actually buying some strong rope) is the fact that I simply said “fuck it” and went to see a pro. To this day, I get more respect and honesty from pro’s than I do the women who claim to be good, decent women.


  127. Hey Olive, it’s nice to see ya (albeit i wish under better circumstances)

    Thank you for the sentiments. I always did enjoy your inquisitive nature on HUS. Then there was the dust up and then your blog went silent. Are you back to blogging?

    Please do tell your brother. My starting suggestion for everyone is to start with Rollo and expand outward from there as they see fit. At the very least you could sit down with him and have him tell you in his own words what he’s doing in hopes of getting a relationship (if that’s his goal) and start correcting him about our true natures and correcting any lies he’s swallowed.

    Why would you be worried about him stumbling across your blog?


  128. […] bombshell that  M3 dropped on the sphere has finally started to settle. did i call it or did i call it? told you guys […]


  129. rollo, i read your stuff everyday. also chateau. you guys are fueling my transformation. i will now check m3 everyday.

    m3. i lived what you lived. i have a lump in my throat and a pit in my stomach right now. i am only now starting to break free, and it feels fucking great. still learning how to respond and how to react, but i’m out there working on it, and spinning 3 plates right now, some better than others. but pinning nonetheless.

    thank you thank you thank you. i think i may cry.


  130. So, you’re a midget?


  131. Thank you for posting this. I am crying as I write this, because one of my dearest friends is 55 and is still a virgin, and he is so close to suicide I am terribly afraid he will take his life. He gets into such a pit of despair that I don’t know how to help him. His life has been ruined by this. What mystifies me is that he is a man many women have wanted in the 20 years or so I’ve known him, but when they want him, he no longer wants them.

    My own husband says that he himself was so useless with women that he was a virgin until 35. This is a man with ragingly high testosterone, who is as manly and driven and powerful as any man I’ve ever met. It is difficult for me to imagine my husband as the “loser” (his word) he says he was. He is so totally not like that now. He says that he taught himself to be good with women (and men), and that it took years, many painful years. He doesn’t like talking about it — it is still painful to him. But he is so much the self-assured AOTG take-charge man now you WOULD NOT BELIEVE HE WAS EVER ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE A LOSER. Women throw themselves at him all the time. Men look up to him. He commands a room. He is amazingly good at reading people and making people feel comfortable and visible. He makes people’s lives better wherever he goes. Little old ladies, stressed mothers, men of all sorts — people are drawn to him. He is a total god. Not only is he hot as hell, he is a good man with self control and good ethics. He’s also the most fascinating man I’ve ever met. And when I look at his body I drool. How the hell could he EVER have had a problem?!!!

    Having read your moving post I have no idea how my husband managed not to feel bitter and angry towards women, but he has not a trace of bitterness in him. Maybe it’s because he thinks what made him unsuccessful with women was bad luck and him being so overwhelmed with raging hormones that he was unable not to frighten women, as opposed to being women’s fault? I don’t know. I doubt his mother gave him any feminist BS — she’s no feminist by any means. But how in the hell did my husband come out so undamaged? I don’t know. I am quite sure he must have felt it just as deeply as you describe. He ‘joked’ that he has made up for lost time in the time we’ve been married, but I think he is serious. If he has sex 3x a day for 10 years (nearly ten years, and 3x/day is not uncommon on weekends, daily otherwise–not bad at our age!) does that make it better? Does that make it hurt less? Maybe that’s why he has seemed to become more and more happy over the years of our marriage. I have never once said no to him. Ever. I strongly believe that it is a man’s right to have sex with his wife whenever and however he wants, and that idea turns me on massively anyway. I think that’s partly why he wanted to marry me.

    I wish I could take that pain away, that he must have felt, that my suicidal friend feels, that you feel, that other men feel. I am so sorry you have gone through this. I hope you find peace and happiness and all the great sex you could ever wish for, like my husband has.


  132. A sad, moving post. Major thumbs up mate, you deserve it.

    I have already shown this post to a couple of friends of mine, along with instructions to read pre 2009 roissy. Added to the blogroll.


  133. M3 with this post you have chronicled my life up to age 36, when I finally lost my virginity.

    I know you pain, fustration and rage because I have lived them.

    Imagine having girls look right through you like you were the invisble man.

    Imagine looking at attractive women and girls and feeling depression and dispair, because they will never find you attractive, they will never want you. You are too ‘nice’, you are too short…..

    Imagine hearing women saying that ‘there are no good men out there’. When you have never even had one so much as look at you…..If there are no good men ‘ out there, and no woman wants me, than what does that make me…..

    To reject a man sexually is to reject him totally.


  134. Hey, M3.

    Love this post. Truly one of the classics and I’ve spread it around to anyone that might listen. We, as men, need to speak truth to power when we interact with our younger brothers.


  135. Hello M3. I lived the life you described all through high school and to the age of 26 when I got married to a ‘Christian’ slut who viewed me as her best chance for a house. While I never slept with anybody else before, she had and let me tell you how good that made me feel knowing that I was just a number to her but she was the only thing I could ever get. 10 years I still learned nothing then had a nice vicious divorce where I lost everything. Finally I find game, I was 38.

    I still remember high school and college. I was convinced I was some horrific beast, unworthy of love, some ghastly mutation that never should have lived. I was angry at my parents for not putting me down as I was obviously defective – why continue the joke? The cold steel of my fathers .38 in my mouth – I remember it well. Very, very, well. I didn’t have the courage – more proof I was a failure. And while this happened the girl I liked at the time was getting it up the ass from a guy who stole cars and hit her. Ah the good ol’ days.

    I no longer feel any sympathy for women and I will never trust them again. I long for the day when the U.S. collapses due to the stinking rot of its economy and without the blue suits to save them *REAL* nature asserts itself. Empowered women only exist when a SWAT team backs them up. Take that away and watch the fun. Rape will be the new sport. “EW! He’s CREEPY!” He can also smack the piss out of you AND WILL and then take you like an animal. Sadly we former manginas know you’ll actually like this. You buy books with titles like 50 shades of gray. That glorious feminine mystique…

    The next part of the journey is to get the hell out of the U.S. Just leave it and the toxic women behind. America is dead and the women are fat walking corpses. There are places in the world (still) where while you cannot heal, you can forget. I’m 42, fat (a strong fat guy but still fat) and banging/living with a 22 year old on the other side of the planet. I was her first, she wants to marry me, and I won’t get to have devastating thoughts of her fucking other men like I got to enjoy constantly with my ex-wife and former love interests. We are told we aren’t supposed to care about that. We were also told that we should be nice. What lies will we be told we are suppose to believe tomorrow? In America you won’t find a female virgin above the age of 14.

    You were never alone, *WE* and a million others were never alone in our sufferings apparently. We were just told we were and that there was something wrong with us. Good luck and thank you for writing this, seriously. With only a few minor details this was my story. You survived hell. And if they don’t like it that you refuse to believe their lies anymore answer this – what worse thing(s) could they do to you that they haven’t already done? Sin only matters to those who are not already in hell. The feministing or hookup queens aren’t angry that you aren’t treating women with respect, they are mad that they can never again get you to believe the lie and punish you. You’ve seen the matrix, the truth, and the fact that women are callous, evil, shallow, sluts useful only for temporary pleasure. You can’t back away from that nor should you.

    You will be happier with a girl with less experience who isn’t taught to be a full time bitch. You can find that OUTSIDE the U.S. and further piss off the fat cunts in the process. As your happiness is the ONLY FUCKING THING THAT SHOULD MATTER please consider this option. You are too good to waste yourself simply fucking Americunts and you deserve something real.

    The women we spent our adolescence dreaming about do not nor have they ever existed. The beautiful, chaste, happy girl who sees in us the goodness that we kept only for them. No. They want the apple, the evil, to drink in the worst the world has to offer, magnify it 1000x fold, and then drag everything good into hell while dancing on the tops of the heads of their victims who choke on the flames of perdition. Such is woman if given freedom.

    Out here where I am the women do not have freedom. They cannot sleep around easily and their movements and activities are carefully controlled while teenagers. It is not labeled “oppression” and there are not daily marches to protest it. Their worst behaviors are stifled and the result is better. You can never find the girl of your dreams, but at least she won’t be the girl of your nightmares. Leave the prison and get out into the world. Good luck.


  136. I am indeed back to blogging, as of very recently!

    As for my bro, will continue to think about it. I’d rather he not find my blog for the same reason I’m not interested in anyone I know IRL reading it. I’d rather be anonymous, with a primarily anonymous audience.

    Anyway I’ll try to stop by more often now that the dialogue at HUS is…. not the same.


  137. M3 I saw PrivateMan’s post about your story and posted my response there and wanted to post it here as well. Much respect for posting this and my response is to let you know you’re not alone. Many more guys can relate than will ever let on.

    Wow. Just fucking wow.

    I’m going to confess something here that only a handful of people know. Outside of the part about banging strippers and marrying an ex I could have written this. I’m on a 13 1/2 year “dry spell.” That’s not a misprint my last sexual encounter was June 1999. For a reference point Bill Clinton was still president then and gas was around $1.20 a gallon. For the record I’m 45 and my number is in the low single digits. I was a virgin until I was 22 and outside of a handful of brief relationships I’d probably still be a virgin. I’ve had exactly one one night stand (and for the record she was very intoxicated.) Oh and did I mention I’m a musician? Not like that’s helped at all with the ladies.

    Unless you are a completely hideous 600 pounder it’s impossible for women to understand how it feels to be totally unwanted and unloved by the opposite sex. I can’t even begin to get into how many bouts of depression and suicidal thoughts I’ve had in this life because of my total inability to attract women. You simply have no idea what it’s like be laughed at and humiliated when you try to approach someone. You have no idea the crushing feeling it is to go for literally years without so much as a hug or a kiss on the cheek from a female.
    I’ve likened my dating life to that of a baseball game. There’s a few people playing the game, there’s a bunch of people watching the game thinking they’re in the game and I’m the poor guy that couldn’t get into the game that’s forced to watch all the action through a hole in the fence hoping for that stray fly ball to come over the fence so I can feel like I’m a part if the game.

    I’ve actually “dated” a couple of girls in this last few years amazingly enough. Both were brief and for whatever reason none got past “first base” in the physical department. One simply disappeared with out a trace after a few weeks and the other will forever haunt me for a long long time because I thought she was “special” and “this one will be different” while ripping my heart out. At this point short of paying a pro (which I’m not against it’s just not financially prudent I make very little money and spending what equals 2 weeks pay for 2 minutes of sex simply isn’t in the cards) I see no scenario where I’ll ever have sex again in this life.

    So what’s my “problem” you might wonder? Glad you asked pull up a chair.
    First things first, I’m 5’5″ and 125 pounds. I’m short and skinny I have the physique of a 10 year old. I’m not that big, tall guy that makes them feel safe and as has been discussed ad nauseum the only thing woman hate more than nice guys are short guys. I’m not particularly good-looking either plus I’m losing my hair now that I’m my 40′s.
    I’m from a lower middle-class blue collar family and have spent most of my life in parts of the country (South Florida, Los Angeles and Las Vegas) where there’s a lot of money and I wasn’t one of them. Doesn’t matter you say? Try competing with guys that drive $100,000 cars and fly first class for female’s attention when you drive a 10 year old economy car, live with your family and can barely afford eating at Chili’s and a movie for a night out. To put it another way there’s absolutely nothing “hot” about me I basically have the sex appeal of a toaster.

    Second. I have no “game.” Zero, zip, nada. I’ve read into all this PUA stuff and I just can’t do it. My personality is for the most part is black and white and I just can’t put on an act like I’m someone I’m not. I simply can’t be anything other than myself which isn’t at all sexy. Adding to the misery I’m pretty intelligent and to me it’s just all silly games. Way too much effort for way too little return. I could try to talk uo 100 girls or I could just ignore them and exactly the same thing is gonna happen. Nothing and trust me I’ve tried.

    Third. I’ve been called a “nice guy” which is the kiss of death. I was raised to be a decent person and kind and nice and helpful to everyone which now I see as a huge disadvantage not only with women but dealing with life in general. Yup I’ve been the “friend” that was the shoulder to cry on when the latest jerk loser split on the poor female. I’ve been the guy that gave the a ride to work while the guy that was banging them did nothing and all the other stuff the male friends do that the guys that get the real rewards (sex) don’t have to do. At least I’ve wised up about all that horseshit and I’m not a sucker any longer.

    But wait a minute you’re a musician those guys get all the chicks right? I have seen it and yeah lots of guys in bands get chicks. I’m not one of them.. Why not? See above. Also I’m a bass player which isn’t the glamor instrument. I’m not the lead singer, not the lead guitarist. I’m not lamenting my choice of instrument I quite enjoy it actually and I’m good at it but I get overlooked especially in bands with female singers which has been the norm for me the last few bands. They get better gigs and make more money.

    So am I bitter and angry? Not as much as I used to be. I still have my moments with I see some hot chick with a total loser and go “Yeah life isn’t fair” but those moments are getting less and less. Women are merely a nuisance to me nowadays one more annoyance to be dealt with in everyday life. I just go about my business now I make sure I take care of me and try to live “off the grid” as much as possible.


  138. Richard Cranium,

    Keep your eyes open for a very quiet girl, perhaps a bit bookish. The kind of girl who was bullied in school by the girls described by those who post here, and never fit in as a result. She was ridiculed and marginalized by these girls and the destruction wrought by this and its effects followed her into adulthood. Such a girl will not usually have a “group” of girlfriends or ever be part of a clique. She will mainly keep to herself and live a quiet life, and will not be hung up on height or money, or impressed by Alpha. She herself may have gone years without even going on a date. She will not necessarily be “ugly” and may even be quite pretty, but unlike the girls who bullied her, she didn’t start slapping on makeup at age 12, and perhaps didn’t realize she was pretty until she was in her 20s or 30s. She is generally ignored by men because she doesn’t know how to play the game. She rarely goes to bars and if she does, does not know how to signal her interest to men. She will always struggle with confidence because of being bullied by the clique-y girls in school who knew how to manipulate males. She thinks she will never be asked on a date and expects to never receive male attention. Attraction for her will be a primarily mental thing.

    Unfortunately, the women M3 writes about are commonplace – they break hearts, destroy lives, are desirable by most men, and get all the press. Ignore these women. They are worthless and destructive. Remember they are not the whole story about women who exist. You need to keep your eyes open for the outlier I describe.

    I have known guys like you, including short and slight ones with zero Alpha, who eventually settled down, and happily, with the type of girl I describe. Do not lose heart.


  139. Anon I appreciate your advice it makes a lot of sense. However I’m not looking to “settle down” quite the opposite. I’d be nice though to at least have someone not treat me like I’m some kind of monster once in a while.


  140. Richard,

    I appreciate what you are saying, but don’t let this kill your hope or your confidence about what you have to offer the right type of woman. I would give you the same advice nonetheless. Look for the quiet girls who were ostracized in junior high and high school. Look for someone who knows what it feels like to be an outsider, These women will have more in common with you in terms of values than they do their materialistic, shallow, cliquey, narcissistic female peers. Don’t waste time with the latter. Just don’t.

    Keep your eyes open for the type of woman I am describing. Expand your social circles is a good strategy. A mixed gender book club from Meetup.com or similar is a place to start. What about volunteering to teach music to underpriveliged kids in your area? You never know who might come into your orbit through such an endeavor.

    And remember, dates don’t have to be expensive – you can take a girl for a picnic in the park where there is free music, to a museum, etc. The kind of girl I describe would like this better than an expensive dinner, especially if thought went into the planning and the conversation was thoughtful and pleasant.


  141. This is one of the bravest things I have read. I can’t even fathom the pain you must have felt going through 12 years without intimacy. But the fact that you lived this and have shared it here is such a immense gift to people who have/are going through the same thing. What has gone wrong for you is now your gift to the world. You have shown men who have experienced something similar that they are not alone & also given them a way out. Again, can I say how brave this post is .. I’m glad you overcome this period in your life and have taken the amazing step of sharing your pain. Its really appreciated.


  142. Just got through this, it was really painful and poignant. My “dry spell” is pretty much my entire existence. From about 15 until 22, I went through this agony. I’ve always had a high sex drive and I think that makes it worse.

    I only lost it when I was 22 (I’m 23 now), and haven’t had sex since. But I’m working on fixing myself.

    I could go through and tell the story about when I was at my lowest, but it is still too recent (<3) years ago, and at any rate this isn't about me.

    Incel is a lifestyle I would wish on no one.


  143. First and foremost I want to thank you on quoting my passage from “Sex Hiatus: an experiment” (http://iamanafterschoolspecial.wordpress.com/archived-features/). I do believe that part of being human after say, the age of puberty and sexual maturation includes sex. It is not a social or moral thing, it’s biological. However, it still has to feel right for you, or you will only be making BAD human connections, and that’s no good either. Tricky game eh!

    That said, I am about to post something that is the anti-thesis of your opening remarks and I apologize in advance…hey. We all got needs, maybe it’s about giving into them more that about having them. I dunno…


  144. […] I am aware that some of you men out there dislike, no, HATE when women exclaim their own desire, their need for sex. Well, sorry chaps, I’m feeling it. I can’t make it go away just because you […]


  145. I’m sorry, you honestly write the most I sightful, thought out, helpful comments on my posts and I feel as if I am tearing yours apart.

    First I would like to say: I’ve. Never had a bf. no one has ever loved me. I’m 29. Men have been infatuated, intrigued etc. but no emotion worth hanging on to.

    Secondly, I lost my virginity 3 days before my 21st bday, had sex 3 more times that year, 6 times the following 2 years, maybe 6 the next 2 years. It was often, it wasn’t consistent enough for me to enjoy it, I did t have an orgasm from sex until I was 24 (talk about unfair!).

    I was shy and insecure and completely obsessed with men who treated me like dirt and it wasn’t until I was 26 and I was free of them that my… Sexual revolution occurred and I started to feel “worthy” and a catch and a walking sexual being. Now days I just want one man, I had fun, later than most but I’m bored of it.

    That said I can’t take away your hurt, I can point out you have overcome! You posting This is evidence you are healed. So celebrate that. The past is gone why look back on what we can’t change?

    The last thing I’d like to say is… While yes men do have the ” need to get laid feeling”, in general, more often than women (though I know some chics who literally haven’t gone a week wo sex for over 15 years and when they had babies,,, those. 6 weeks nearly killed them too! Some women do have “healthy” sex drives, I friggen was initiating, asking, wanting sex more than the guy in my most recent relationship… And we fucked like 2-5 times a day…) yah so… So even if we do only feel it 2 weeks out of the year . Those two weeks are proportionately more I
    Biologically important. If we never wanted to fuck, humans as a species would end. So maybe we feel it I. Shorter bursts but w more intensity?

    Also, FYI, women aren’t Hornier when ovulating (although they do statistically have more sex, tend to “doll themselves up” more and men find them more appealing.
    Women are Hornier right before during and after their periods bc their estrogen levels are at their lowest, making their testesterone levels peak… Causing… You guessed the neeed for sex 🙂


  146. I can only think you are mad writing this. You should be prepared for the antagonistic responses you’ll get to this from other commentators for firstly seeking sympathy, trying to empathise and comparing your situation to theirs, and secondly indicating that you were the sort of girl that went for the men these guys were jealous of, instead of these guys. And lastly they may well call you a slut and refer to you now trying to get off the carousel and tell you that nobody will want you. Don’t take it to heart. 😀


  147. The only thing I’m confused about is if that’s you in your picture, then I’m sure more than enough guys find you attractive.


  148. Thanks for the heads up…. Yea, I’ve… Heard all the lovely things you guys have to say to “girls like me”, or the type of girl you think i am. I’m ok w it. In some ways it has made me re-think how I want to come off (bc often it is not indicative to who I actually am), how I engage in sex, with who and this whole carousel thing… I mean, is it just for older chicks? I ask only bc, thinking about it, my married or soon to be married friends, all under 30, who had been w their men for ~2-4 years before getting hitched, they were NOT saints before they met their men. they went through that hop-on, hop-off thing, or were serial monogomousists who literally jumped from relationship to relationship, wracking up quite the number of men they’d bedded… My roommate is 26, in a 4 year relationship, has a 15 mos daughter and has slept w like.. 20+ guys. I thought… I was a virgin when she got into a relationship, and I can’t compete w her…

    So, what I’m asking is, bc I , like M3, didn’t start having sex, like really, till I was 26-27, and after 2 or so years of
    “having fun” (and btw, one, the “lust” one was… Yah, bad, and probably a sociopath, but generally I am attracted to nice, attractive but not like Adonis’s, connects on a human level type. Sometimes shy, sometimes just shy w girls – ex. I always – even as a cartoon, Had a crush on Robin, not Batman. I prefer the strong but grounded type, in super-hero fantasy-land, I go for the quieter but still smart and powerful, doesn’t need the limelight type… Now wondering what that attraction metaphor is all about…sorry, distracted. Yea, so girls who are on the carousel from 18-23 are OK bc they were “sluts” at an age before their actions were slutty? They had fun, then got bored (like where I’m at now), found good guys and got hitched on the appropriate timeline?

    I didn’t chose to be a shy, insecure teen or young adult. Like none of y’all did either. I wish I didn’t feel awkward alllll the time bc my friends were fucking before I’d even made out w anyone.

    I think… It boils down to this: when did you start loving yourself? When did you realize or re-evaluate your own worth? I empathize with M3, he has gone through some intense sexual and spiritual growth, rollercoaster shit. As I said, the action of sharing his story, his pure unapologetic qualms about w female behavior etc. is evidence he has come to terms or is growing in his self worth.

    However, all the hatred and… Anger… Judgement… Hate to say it but from a psychological stance, it ain’t good (or productive). It’s… A stage of grief right? Anger. I have/had it too, In droves… For all th NICE guys who allllllwaysss go for the superficial ditsy, high maintenece, bitch girl, instead of me, my nice friends.

    The not lining up for frat boys (bc we were a virgins and well, ego size and cock size are not correlated – ive since learned. I’ve found the laid back guys, the don’t need all the attention fella’s tend to be well, hung…compensation … Perhaps?)

    I’m just sayin’I feel like fucking, i want or need or whatever, to get laid, bc as was quoted, it is a human act bt two humans, shared intimacy, not just a pleasure palace. I am lonely and am stressed the fuck out, and just want to have 20min of physical mutual-attention, an orgasm, and be held for a bit. To feel human, to feel alive Again. And what is sex but… Life, renewed?

    Ok… Hit me… I’m reddy (kinda)


  149. Lol. It’s not me in the pic – I cannnnot have this be not anonymous, like I need a job and whatnot.

    I never said I wasnt attractive – I am not, however, the girl in the pic. Meaning, she’s the frat slut w too much makeup on, prolly implants and I’m the pretty, def sexy…somewhat innocent looking chic, who has a naturally perfectly proportionate figure but does not wear clothes that emphasize it, even my girlfriends didn’t realize how big my tits were till we like went to the gym and changed in front of one another. I’m really good at hiding it. I have the most sparkling blue eyes you will ever see, alabaster skin and dark hair. On a good night, when I’m happy and glowing, i can be “stunning” (when I’m depressed annoyed and insecure i can look.. Like anyone else who feels that way, haggard).

    Guy, women have insecurities for like 1000 reasons that have nada to do w their physical appearance. That girl in the pic, she’s hot bc she exudes confidence even in her drunken state, grow up w an exercise junky dad that went for the flat xhested 70’s twiggy type – who calls you thunder thighs when your… 9 years old… Makes you run up and down stairs at 10, goes on about “empty calories” when your 11 – when all of a sudden u got hips and tits and an ass at 12 when puberty hits, you: stop eating, where baggy clothes to hide curves, which makes guys not into you, then makes u think ur not attractive, the cycle starts and it takes an effffort to get out. Be comfortable in your own skin. Look at yourself naked and say, wow, that is a woman’s body not a girls, and, damn… Not bad..maybe all those years of running up and down stairs wasnt the worst idea. Let’s put some make up on, get a decent haircut, some fitted (but not slutty) clothes and… Be who you were born to be, not what you became.


  150. […] when women exclaim their own desire, their need for sex. Well, sorry chaps, I’m feeling it. I can’t make it go away just because you don’t like it and I don’t really think anyone is in a position to judge my […]


  151. Great now the broads show up and try to make all about them.


  152. Sorry, I thought this was about humans. Didnt realize you guys were the only ones allowed to have “issues”.

    I think M3 is like… A hero. He certaintly has made that impression on me based on the comments he’s made on some of my posts.

    This post only reinforced that notion, i actually had thought about what be said when I went to write my post about “needing to get laid”. Thought about his disdain for that and the points he made as to why.

    I was only trying to give my point of view without taking away the significance of his.


  153. Audacious,
    You completely missed the whole point of the posting.

    Your own post, that you linked to this one with, as well as your comment make it clear that every point in your life you made the decision to have sex that you got to have sex. Maybe not ‘on demand’ but not that far off either.

    Then you come and try and ‘relate’ to his and other men’s issues. Well sorry sweet cheeks, but it’s not the same. It never will be.

    So, if you want to try and relate, that’s fine. But keep it to yourself. Don’t spout off your point of view, because we honestly don’t care. It’s like trying to relate to someone that lost their mother by saying how torn up you were when your dog died. We understand why you do it; but at that point all you do is come off as a callous bitch that can’t just be quiet while other people deal with emotions that you can’t even understand, and you lose any understanding or lesson you could gain by constantly looking for a way to ‘relate’ by making it all about you instead of about the person or people in pain.


  154. I’ll pray for you.


  155. Richard Cranium,

    I am the person who made some suggestions to you about the type of woman I felt you should pursue, and the additional suggestions about getting involved teaching music to children as a volunteer, etc. Since the posts I wrote were about you and not me, I did not mention previously that I myself am female.

    My impulse is always to take the time to reach out to others when they are in pain with either kind words as simple as “I don’t know what to say but I am sorry” or if I am able, practical suggestions to address the situation, or, if they are in physical proximity, practical assistance, — regardless of whether the person hurting it male or female. This is ordinarily a thankless task, whether online or IRL. A simple “thank you for taking the time to reach out” is not in the vocabulary of most people, regardless of gender/age/background. I am feeling increasingly however that it is a useless thing to do, especially in a place where the self-centered actions of other females are imputed to the female gender as a whole.


  156. Man: “I went through 12 years without being even touched by a woman. I was ready to kill myself”.
    Broad: “I know how it feels, I suffered so much, I went a whole year being fucked only twice a month!”


  157. Anon I do thank you for your advice. I assumed you were a female just by how you wrote. I wasn’t trying to marginalize what you had said sorry if it came off that way. It’s just I long ago passed the point of no return with all of this and all I’m concerned about is playing my bass and riding motorcycles. I play music for a living and spend most of my time in bars and clubs I meet women all the time so it’s not like I sit around with my head in the sand. Honestly bar sluts do nothing for me I prefer someone with class and yes I know that’s the wrong place to meet them. As long as my check clears and the van makes it to the next town I’m happy.

    Thanks Leap of a Beta for the rebuttal. One of the things about the manospere is it’s supposed to be a boy’s club where we can freely discuss ideas and issues without worrying about offending the little ladies. Once they start creeping in and feeling they need to add their opinion on things it takes on less of importance especially with the issue at hand here. Take it however you want but trust me you have no way of relating.


  158. Richard Cranium,

    Apology accepted. I got the impression from your initial post, however, that you still long for mutual love, for touch, for intimacy, in effect a good relationship, even though you feel the chances of it happening are remote for all the reasons you described (and I accept what you say, believe me). If I had thought you had “written off” all women and were 100% happy as a MGTOW, I would not have taken the time to respond to you.

    The Manosphere has both strengths and weaknesses. In my view, one of its primary weaknesses is the tendency to impute bad female behavior to the female gender as a whole. I have lost count of the number of times I have seen this done. People who point out the price of this kind of thinking are often marginalized as engaging in “NAWALT hysteria.” And so the distortion is normalized and perpetuated. This kind of groupthink is self-perpetuating in that if you spend a considerable amount of time with people who feel this way, you will begin to believe it is “the truth.”

    I think we all need to respect the rights of individuals to make their own choices, including MGTOW. But the price a man pays for adopting the world view that the female gender is collectively responsible for the bad acts of all females is that a relationship with a good woman as an individual will in all likelihood never materialize for such a man — if that is indeed what he seeks–because it effects his perceptions and the way he acts, even when he does not realize it. This has caused me to question whether the Manosphere can hurt some single men as much as it can help them.

    It is my cardinal rule in life to judge all people by their actions and never by their gender, race, religion, nationality, class background, status, etc., even whilst keeping in mind the truths articulated in the Manosphere. I don’t like Maya Angelou, but she does have a wise saying: “When people show you who they are, believe them.” People are complex and life is complex. The Manosphere can sometimes erode this fact.

    Love is talked about a lot at the Manosphere. I have seen it written on other blogs that females as a rule are selfish and do not know how to love. It is my personal belief that most people, regardless of gender, have any idea what love is. Yesterday I was struck by this article. To my mind, this is what “love” looks like:

    http://preview.tinyurl.com/d7njrdn

    If love with a woman is what you truly seek (in addition to the music and bikes that make you happy) I truly hope you find it with someone worthy.


  159. Sorry – that sentence should have read:

    It is my personal belief that most people, regardless of gender, have no idea what love is.


  160. fantastic post. i found this by way of hawaii libertarian. nothing to add of value other than, maybe you can put the lettering in white so it’s more visible on the background? had trouble reading the post and had to select all to see it properly.

    other than that, just fantastic man. agree with 100% of what you said


  161. Holy shit man this is incredible!!!

    I can relate but my incel time only lasted until I was 19 because I decided no way in hell I was going to be a 20 year old virgin so I low balled with a chubby 4. I ended a 6 year relationship a few years ago and have dated a few times since then but I guess I’m still not 100% over my beta-ness because my last woman I dated left me for my 35 year old (I’m 27) coke addict former co-worker (who also can’t drive because too many DUI’s) but hey I’m sure he’s more exciting than me….


  162. PS
    I was to a point in High school between no interest from girls and some bullying that I was to the point of suicide. I got as far as having a loaded 12 gauge in my mouth… If it wasn’t for music and playing music I certainly would have offed myself years ago. It’s the only thing that keeps me going despite the fact it doesn’t help me what-so-ever with the ladies.


  163. […] the motivation to start this blog after seeing myself described in the words of m3 in his post Confessions of a reformed incel where he explains what he went through with […]


  164. Wow. This was tough to read. I kind of feel like crying. I am at a loss for words to speak of your suffering. Just know that a guy read this and gives a shit.


  165. Preach it brother! Not every man comes out of the experience in the same place you wound up, but we’ve all been through the journey you describe. We’ve all been lied to, shamed, and ordered to obey. We’ve all been dismissed, denied, and dehumanized, and we’ve all had to bury our resentment behind an apologetic smile and a promise to do better.

    It’s a toxic experience, and every man in America has been through it. Some submit; some rebel, as you did; and some convince themselves there’s no alternative and decide to suck it up. Some drop out of the rat race entirely. I can’t say what’s best for anyone else but me–every guy’s needs and resources are different.

    But just hearing your story makes a difference. It strikes a chord with me, and I believe it does the same with every man. Sexual contact IS validation, a type that simply not available to many, many men even while it’s constantly available to ALL women… so available that they undervalue it and treat it as ‘no big deal.’ Well, perhaps it IS no big deal–to them. Just like access to clean drinking water is no big deal to Americans, but a huge concern in the Third World.

    Congratulations on a fantastic, truthful, and resonant story.


  166. So get laid then. Women can obtain sex very easily.

    You say youre quite attractive..even girls who are size of a small car get laid left and right with men much better looking than them.

    If youre not having sex, its totally a self-imposed limitation. Unlike a man who needs to have great looks, confidence, charm and social intelligence to sexually attract women.
    Women can be mediocre in every aspect and still have an as active and adventurous a sex life as they want.

    Sorry, I fail to feel any sympathy for women who are sexually frustrated


  167. Holy jumping fucking jesus… that was EPIC. On a medium as sterile as text and the internet you precipitate out the emotion and pain in a tangible way. I am speechless and moved. This will go along side the best of a Roissy, Roosh, etc. as required reading for any awakening mind. Twelve years… it makes me want to sue someone and get you back payments on sex and humanity. I’ve rarely seen someone so personally articulate the sick sick society we live in. And by the other commenters here, it appears you are not alone with this story. In spite of the horrific tale I am thankful that one more person shook themselves awake and your outright anger is not at all surprising. I’m glad you didn’t eat a bullet and have found renewed purpose in smashing the living fuck out of this machine we are trapped in.


  168. Probably took a lot of courage to post that. Well done for having the stones to do so. A powerful and very raw story, well told. I identified with it pretty strongly myself, in a number of areas, more than I would perhaps like to admit.

    Do you really think the anger never goes away? That we can only ever hope to bury it, down deep? I’d like to think otherwise. A lot of the time I think I’ve gotten rid of it, but then something just brings it back, maybe not as strong as before, but definitely still there. The first link in this post provoked such a reaction. I’d really like to rid myself of it, it feels like an anchor round my neck…


  169. […] M3 – Confessions of a Reformed InCel […]


  170. […] Secondly, i can’t believe how far the incel post went. It touched so many people. Just wow. […]


  171. thank you for showing the millions of men around the world that silently live with this trauma that we are not alone. I have known about the pua community for years which has taught me about dominance, social proof, “game” etc and has contributed a good deal to my healing. But the human aspect, the way that you describe the emotional toll years of rejection and isolation takes on a man can only come from someone who has been through it and knows what It’s like

    Thank you brother.


  172. I type this knowing you probably won’t believe me, but I’m going to anyway.

    I’m sorry for what feminist thinking did to you. I’m sorry that your sexuality wasn’t validated. I’m sorry that other women told you such lies and emotionally destroyed you.
    I’m sorry that you went so long without sex.
    I’m sorry that you, a fellow human being, suffered so much.

    I didn’t contribute to your destruction, but others of my sex did…and they won’t apologize…so I’ll do it for them.

    No person, male or female, should be denied physical intimacy. It took me years to learn that I needed it (I’d been sexually abused by my stepfather for 8 years). But once I met my current lover…well, I realized just how dead I was inside. By shunning physical contact of any kind, I was killing myself…and yes, I entertained the same suicidal thoughts you wrote above. The difference is, your lack of intimacy was put on you involuntarily. I was terrified of sex and didn’t know I needed it. You wanted sex but couldn’t get it.

    Both of us were hurt by a system that denies our sexuality. Men can’t be validated in sexuality because then it can’t be controlled. Women can’t be validated in sexuality because we are supposed to be “better than that”.

    Well, guess what? I am a 27 yr old woman who NEEDS sex, and am no longer afraid of it. I am a good person, and I have a lover who cares about me just as much as I care about him. Fuck those people who say “women are better and don’t need sex”. Fuck those people who say “male sexuality is dangerous and needs to be reined in”. Fuck those people who want to claim that sex and intimacy are unnecessary for a fulfilling life, when there are people like you and me who know otherwise.

    I am sorry for what happen to you. Twelve years is a long time to suffer…and I truly hope that you continue to live your life the way YOU want, and that you finally find that diamond in the rough just as I did. Nothing will ever make up for the hell you went through, but I hope you find someone who can help you forget.

    Blessed Be, friend.


  173. Incredible. I didn’t have an easy time by any means but this put things in perspective. Your hell dragged on even longer than mine by a long shot and I’m impressed that you survived, well done. I used to think that kind of living hell only happened to us Aussie blokes but clearly I was mistaken. Very insightful and I can really relate to the femenist delusions as a recipe for self sabotage aspect. “Nice guys” really do finish last.


  174. […] been meaning to write about a seminal post of M3′s since it dropped as it’s been on my mind as of late. M3 himself has mentioned […]


  175. […] first is what prompted this post originally, this comment by the Audacious Amateur Blogger on M3′s post in which she tries to relate to his 12 year […]


  176. Since reading your amazing and heartfelt confession I have thought many times about it. My situation is both similar and dissimilar to your own. I am in my mid 40s and have never had a sexual relationship with a woman. The closest that I came was in college with the girl that I was dating at the time. I’ve thought back any number of times to what you’ve written about not feeling human because you’ve had no human contact. I sincerely wonder how my life might be different today if I had exposure to meaningful human interaction (and I’m not even talking about sex). Someone to hold my hand and to touch and to cuddle with. I’m aware of how feminine that sounds but it’s the way that I feel. At this point in my life I’m pretty much beyond any expectation of receiving affection much less overtly sexual contact with a woman. And please understand that I’m not bemoaning my situation. I am happy being single and have no interest in changing that status and, yet, I do wonder what it would be like to experience honest and sincere affection… Would I feel less angry? Would I feel safer? Would I be less afraid of life and living? It certainly seems reasonable to conclude that I’d be all of those things and more and, yet, who is to say. That is not the way it is nor is it the way I ever believe my life will be. Thank you for your thought-provoking comments. It’s nice to know that there are others out there…


  177. Late to the party, as always, but…

    Testify, Brother! TESTIFY!

    Despite the sterility of text, the flatness of the printed word, your points and their depth of feeling just BLAMMED their way into me as I relived my own shitty 20’s.

    I lost my virginity at age 25 – CAN YOU FUCKIN’ BELIEVE THAT? – and not through any quasi-religious upbringing but for precisely the kind of mindfuck you so clearly and cogently describe.

    Brother, I realized I had to do something when I was 30 – but that was in 1993 and the mass-Internet was still a gleam in the eye of Berners-Lee et al. Bookstores had nothing to guide a man in need of a solid philosophy on how to play this Great Game of Life. For a man who has always GOTW, this was a serious lack of information.

    Thank-you for sharing this.


  178. Interesting article. I totally agree about the disparity between expectations put on men and the lack of romantic conquest one will have when buying into it. Popular conceptions on male vs female sexuality are riddled with double standards.

    I have to correct you on one point. While women are the most aroused during ovulation it doesn’t mean they don’t enjoy sex at other times, the female body has basically evolved to have as much sex as possible.

    Keep up the good work.


  179. […] is in Limbo. This and the InCel post really speak to […]


  180. […] a reason why i used rape as an analogy in my incel post. Because the effects of isolation and dehumanization are as traumatic and far […]


  181. […] read the new guy M3. He writes with a raw conscious stream to great effect. I find myself not wanting to craft this post as art like I usually do. OK, I will to some degree I […]


  182. That hit pretty close to home for me, Though my path differs slightly as I’m 24 have mild cerebral palsy and am still a virgin.


  183. Sweet Jesus yes. One woman was a total dick to me (stood me up, lied about it, unapologetic), so I made a small joke about her constant lamenting about how she’s “never been single for a month, omg im so single ;(((( oh no now it’s been 2 months omg someone save me.” This hurt her so bad that she treated me like I had raped her, and I’m surprised/lucky she wasn’t able to fabricate a story, because I think she would have. And, this all from a chick who was totally haphazard with her jokes/remarks/insults. Amazing hypocrisy, errywhere.


  184. […] has exploded again since someone put my Incel post up on 4chan. The comments speak for themselves.. you can view them for yourself […]


  185. […] This post has sat in draft for a little while in various guises, It was going to be a response to M3′s Incel Post. […]


  186. Very raw and heavy read! Its amazing what a shit spiral these politically correct manners create.


  187. I also endured the 12-year thing. Then I read “No More Mr Nice Guy” by Dr Robert Glover, and everything cascaded. I have 14 of the best Game books, I eat a red pill every day and feminists are the new communists as far as I’m concerned. I don’t even fuckin’ hear the cunts any more.


  188. I’m 35 and a virgin, mostly out of social isolation and shame about my body (I’m fat, managed to lost the weight few times in my life, but never managed to maintain the loss). The lack of social skills and general sadness also led me to academic and laboral failure. Lately I’ve thinking about suicide, not in a dramatic way, but exactly in the logical way the article mentions (because, what’s the point of keep living a worthless life?). I usually think that even if I could change, the wounds of all this years will never close and I will never really enjoy life. I have read game books, also the Glover book, and when I lost weight I felt positively better and even flirty (even if all of that was only on my head), but the thing I don’t feel like having a lot of shallow encounters, I would prefer a long and deep relationship with lots of sex and emotions, but not thinking of marriage and kids from day one (or even not thinking about them at all). I just want to feel fine, maybe I’m too picky.
    Anyway, I don’t know what to do, I think that at my age it’s too late to change, it would have been better if I had never been born.


  189. Please contact me through my contact form.


  190. Don’t think that way, friend. No life is ever worthless, yours included. I had to find this out for myself years ago when I was contemplating suicide (though mine was due to sexual abuse, not isolation).

    You are human, you have feelings, emotions, stress, strengths, weaknesses, desires…basically everything that comes with living. Some people are born with golden spoons in their mouths, while some of us are essentially crapped on by family/society. The most important thing to remember is that you have just as much importance as any other person, be they man or woman.

    I’m sorry that you feel this way, and loathe the society that has harmed so many. Listen to M3…I’ve read a lot of his posts and he knows what’s real. I don’t agree with everything he posts, but all of it is excellent and well written.

    If you just need someone to talk to about overcoming suicide and the like, let me know.
    Blessed Be, friend.


  191. +1

    Well said Anna. I appreciate your words and the support you show for pedro. Thanks for being one of the good ones.


  192. Thank YOU, M3.

    Honestly, I feel badly when I’m thanked for showing empathy, love and compassion for my fellow humans…not because I’m trying to be superior, but because I always thought that was what people were SUPPOSED to do.

    I am not kind to everyone because it gets me a reward…I don’t donate to the Wounded Warrior project for the tax writeoff…I haven’t been vegetarian for the last 13 years to “brag” about how I’m “better” than omnivores…I don’t treat my mentally handicapped customers like “normal” customers because others are watching.

    No, I do it because it’s the right thing to do. I believe life is what we make of it, and that we all have the power to make someone’s life better or worse through our interactions.

    I grew up knowing what it’s like to be considered worthless or only of value because of my body, with no respect for my mind. (See my previous post in November). Obviously this is different than what most men have gone through…but if I can help even ONE person to realize how precious they are, then my life has been good.

    Once again, thank you for your comment. It is much appreciated. If you can see my email address, would you please give it to pedro? Even if he doesn’t contact me, I want him to have the option.

    Blessed Be, M3.


  193. Thanks for your words and support. About the suicide, I think about it lucidly but I’m not impulsive enough to do it in a whim. Right now I’m beggining to try to change again (a couple of years ago I managed to easily get very far in losing weight, but I failed at the socializing side of things, and I ended isolating myself again).
    One big unavoidable problem is that having wasted so many years being fearful and depressed, I’m lacking behind most of the people professionaly (I dropped out of college 10 years ago and never found a vocation or solid job after that) and that is a socially limiting factor.
    But anyway I know that change or die is the only way, even if I die without having had a relationship, I could have a less painful life if I manage to improve the rest of it.


  194. Pedro,

    I am very happy to hear that you would not impulsively remmove yourself…I am always quite saddened when I hear of a life being extinguished before it’s time, for any reason. Life is difficult for some, easy for others, and a downright cakewalk for yet more. Guess which category WE fall into?

    I’m also sorry to hear about your struggle with college/vocational school and weight loss. I know that it is important to love your mind and your body equally, and that prolonged depression makes it difficult to do either. Constant stress of “not measuring up” can completely wreck one’s entire life. I hope that you are getting enough help from M3 and other sources on how to combat this downward spiral. Just know that their ARE other people who want to see you happy and successful…but you have to want it for YOURSELF first!

    This is yet another way that our stories are different. Since I was completely terrified of physical (and to an extent, mental) intimacy and all around touch, I threw myself into my work and school. I started working at an Eckerd when I was 16 and quickly moved up the ranks since I took the job seriously and never called out. That job put me through Community College. I found a better paying (and much more pleasant) job when I was 20, and that put me through my Bachelor’s (Business and Psychology). I’m 27 now, and still at that job, but am now only 2 steps behind the owner.

    I was always very surprised about how much I got asked out in my college career…and in reading all of these quotes from you menfolk, I truly wish I could have given you my “mojo”. Gods know that *I* didn’t want it. I grew up for 8 yrs being told that men would only ever want my body, that a woman’s education/feelings/wants were ALWAYS second to a man’s, that my intelligence didn’t matter to anyone except myself and MAYBE other women. Nevermind the actual physical things I had to do…At those times I felt like nothing but a walking corpse, a piece of meat with no feelings behind it. I contemplated suicide every time I was alone, because after all, I was just a body…

    Luckily, in the last 2 yrs, I’ve found a man who respects me for all that I am…intellectual, spiritual, and physical. Through his love and patience, he has shown me that I *do* have a intimate side, that sex is *not* painful, that being held by someone doesn’t *have* to feel like a prison. I am so indebted to him, that I don’t think even 10 lifetimes could pay it off!

    M3 is correct…men ARE the more intimate sex. I’ve spoken to many men over the years and have found that the vast majority think of intimacy = acceptance. That if physical validation, emotional romance or sexual love is missing, then they feel broken, unloved, and hollow. I tell you now: Most women do NOT understand this. I think the combination of the ease of finding a partner PLUS the fact that most don’t have their brains wired that way means that even if she finds a lover that is basically a Pleasure God made flesh…she will still think of sex as a chore or gift. (I find this odd, especially since women are multi orgasmic).

    But there are some of us out there that are wired differently…I promise. We may be difficult to find, but once you do…well, you’ll see that while nothing could be worth the depression you are going through currently, a woman like that will do her very best to make you forget about it.

    I wish you the very best of luck, sir.

    Blessed Be.


  195. Reblogged this on In The Bed Inside Me. and commented:
    Amen.


  196. This hit home so freaking hard. I didn’t learn until I was 23 years old. 23 years of thinking about committing suicide almost every day. 23 years of feeling worthless because not one other human being wanted me. I was just the “friend” to women I loved dearly and daydreamed of marrying(never more than one at a time). I worked out, dressed good, was told by so many women I was doing everything right, was a great person(not good enough for a single one of them of course), and that I just had to wait, but nothing ever happened no matter how hard I tried. I could go on and on, but whatever. I’ve moved on and have since learned, but this really hit home. I have intentionally blocked out those years of my life and I pretend that they never existed. Their too painful to remember. If it weren’t for certain blogs on the internet that taught me otherwise, I probably would have killed myself by now. Thank you for explaining it like it really is.


  197. I never understand why incels don’t start mongering ASAP. Too afraid to make a change?


  198. Dear poster.

    Thank you for all the information you wrote down on this page. I was/am in exactly the same situation you are in right now, only I am in thankfully the better positiont because i recognized my disadvantaged attitudes before you did.

    Nowadays the best advice I would give any cousin or familiy member of mine is to just follow your own intellect and never to trust female advice on the court of relationship games.

    I do believe i can empathize with the amount of lies we have been told in polite society with regard to the primary agency of women and the agency of men. …

    I feel… i just can’t describe the amount of disgust i feel towards all the lies we have been told about female-male interactions. It just pisses me off… It also scares me that this is considered “spergy” or aspergers’s since i was diagnozed with that condition as a kid….

    In any case it hasn’t stopped me from getting laid like a champ…. After the age of 22 that is.., before that i was your typical nerdy guy who couldnt get laid for the life of him….


  199. That was excellent.


  200. For a “long and deep relationship with lots of sex and emotions,” you should be looking overseas for the very feminine women that have been less corrupted by western values.

    Please check out Roosh V’s blog for lots of tips on finding those women in other countries and how to get them for the long term!


  201. Well M3, I think by now that the comments here have probably convinced you that you’re not going to be haunted by this, and have touched a whole host of people positively. This post is like, “What if they’d disconnected Neo from the Matrix ten years later?”, lol, and I think you’ve (a) spoken for a lot of men, though maybe to a greater extreme than most; and (b) provided a blueprint for the catharsis necessary when disconnecting from the Fematrix. God-willing, this will help other newly-disconnected souls along.

    Incidentally, may I suggest that instead of “Great maker, what have I done!”, a more appropriate valedictory would be, “Lo, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.” Well, just one world really, the feminized West. Let’s hope this carries us further along to that goal.


  202. “Lo, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.” Well, just one world really, the feminized West. Let’s hope this carries us further along to that goal.”

    Now that fucking rocks! The end of the feminized west, god speed!


  203. I noticed you’re from Toronto.


  204. I’m new here (found you through a Heartiste tweet) but great post! Nothing at all to be embarrassed about — many of us have been there.

    Also, no one should read Hooking Up Smart. I refuse to even click on links I find out of principle.


  205. […] writer M3, who recently leapt to Manosphere fame in his post “Confessions of a Reformed Incel” described in that post the pain, disappoint and emotional trauma that comes with […]


  206. “The end of the feminized West” sounds too good to ever be true.

    Don’t get me wrong…I appreciate and respect the brave women and men who fought for women’s right to vote, to work outside the home, to have 100% ownership of her wage/patents/body, to serve in the military, to attend college, etc. These are great rights to have, and I am fortunate to live in America.

    But modern day Feminism is for the birds. I’ve seen the websites, read the articles, spoken to tons of other women…most of them don’t want equality, they want superiority. They want to have equal pay for equal work (good), but to have to man pick up the dinner bill (bad). They want to wear sexy clothes and go out drinking (good), but be able to cry rape even if she AND the man were drunk (bad). They want chivalry, “alpha” men, big wallets, presents, sex on demand, and only the “hottest” men…yet if they refuse to pay for the meal, are 200lbs overweight, condescending and “have a headache” every single night, well…menfolk are supposed to accept and desire that.

    I may not be a woman out of a 1970s sitcom…but at least I can see the problems with being a feminist instead of an egalitarian. I pray for the day when misandrists and misogynists BOTH are finally out of Western culture forever!


  207. Yup. The coldest city in the world.

    At least wrt women.


  208. “Don’t get me wrong…I appreciate and respect the brave women and men who fought for women’s right to vote, to work outside the home, to have 100% ownership of her wage/patents/body, to serve in the military, to attend college, etc. These are great rights to have, and I am fortunate to live in America.”

    What i advocate is far from sending women back into the kitchen barefoot and pregnant. I have another post coming up that will flesh this out about. It is about the ‘superiority’ you speak of, wanting more power with less responsibility, hardly what i consider ‘equality’.

    And as fortunate as you are to live in America, it must be noted that the same rights to women are available in much of Europe. However, the women there choose not to abrogate their role as women and are much happier by it. And it looks like you are capable of seeing the inherent problem of modern day feminism as you so deftly wrote, proving you understand the gravity of the situation quite well.


  209. Yes, I understand that the rights we have here are by and far the same that they enjoy in the majority of European countries. However, as I’m not from any of those places or ever visited them, I try not to talk about things I have less knowledge about…I dislike suffering from “foot in mouth” disease, you see. 🙂

    Seriously though, I love your posts simply because you are (obviously) FOR men’s rights, but not AGAINST women’s rights. It’s a bit difficult to find people who truly want equality! I’m always glad that I found your blog, sir. Looking forward to that post you mentioned too!


  210. I write this comment as a form of mental/emotional therapy. A bit of catharsis. I read the Reformed Incel posting and it hit home, but this is not a direct response to the article or the comments. Its 1am and I just got shut down by a chick so a want to vent a bit and share my story. I have not thought of what note it ends on, but it feels like I should get this shit off my chest.

    If there was ever a beta/feminist mindset controlled guy it was me. I attended an all boys school growing up, had no sisters or female cousins and my parents did not socialize so I had almost nil exposure to women growing up. But I was a prototypical book smart kid that absorbed a shit load from reading. Of course, with hindsight and having taken the red pill, I now realize that all that shit about being more attractive by identifying with the feminine is complete and utter bullshit. As Chateau Heartiste and Rationale Mind say, there is such a thing as Beta Game and its all about thinking you can make yourself more unique in the eye of the girls by identifying yourself more closely with their needs. Well, I am a what would be considered a super high IQ guy (attended those two fine educational institutions in Cambridge, MA) and I thought that while other guys may want to identify with girls, they wouldn’t be as successful as I could be because I REALLY could internalize women’s interests. After all I was smarter and more thoughtful than others.

    But here is the funny thing, when I used pure beta game, nothing happened. When I say nothing, I mean 3 years of celibacy in collage. Fucking college! And here is the thing, I did not realize it then, but I had some alpha tendencies inside of me, but since my over rationalizing brain was always working, it kept that shit under wraps. More than one blog has mentioned that too much intelligence fucks up your game. True.

    If you have read Yohami, you will see how he writes about those times in college where his natural alpha side manifested itself, but how it disappeared because he wasn’t aware of the factors that allowed it to flourish. Same thing happened to me. In high school I was part of the rugby team (since it was a british school) and the workouts probably resulted in my testosterone levels being higher than usual, which in turn resulted in me acting like part of the alpha crowd. And without thinking about it I was being pursued by the chicks in school. Good times, but since I was not conscious of the drivers of my success I let them fade away in college. College was shit. A very intense ivy league engineering academic program. I thought that if I just cut out all the exercise and partying that I could succeed by channeling that energy into my academics. I was wrong. Three years of grinding through school feeling like shit (due to lack of exercise and testosterone) and with low self-esteem (why are the finals club guys getting the chicks when I KNOW I treat them better). I finished college and got a fancy consulting job. Turns out life was no different than college. I thought that sacrificing my physicality and internal desires was the key to pull the long hours and do the grinding work that would result in me getting promoted and making more money.

    I stumbled into a 4 girl and since I was so desperate I followed through that relationship for years. I even proposed! But here is the thing, since I was so beta and was being ground down so badly my my internal framework of sacrificing my passions with the idea that professional/financial success would make me attractive, the girl dumped me after I proposed. A 4! With hindsight, I don’t know how I tapped that, but I did. I was horny, lonely and did not have the awareness to understand why I felt the way I did and why my life was turning out the way it was. I could remember that only a few years ago in high school the 8 and 9s were after me, and now I was picking up the dregs. I admit, most other guys would of woken up to the reality of the situation by then, but since I am such an intellectualizer, I thought my beta game made logical sense (after all, don’t girls want sensitive communicative guys? It says right there in all the statistically valid surveys!) and I just needed to double down on it.

    After getting dumped, I got into business school. My first reaction to getting dumped was to go on amazon.com and order the top 10 ranked relationship books. They all agreed, I needed to be more in touch with my feeling and communicate more if I wanted a successful relationship. Luckily,I decided to ignore women for a year and just focus on my studies. I did well and managed to secure a full time job after completing my summer internship. That meant that the 2nd year in biz school was a lot less stressful, since I had a fancy 6 figure job all lined up. Not sure how/why my mindset changed, but I decided to start working out (I was a fat fuck by then) during my second year, sacrificing school work to getting in shape and socializing. Without realizing it, I was becoming socially successful. Got a six pack, the girls started talking to me and I started acting with a new found confidence. It was a big change, but once again, I did not put the obvious pieces together and recognize that looking good and the confidence I had from working out and knowing that I had a good job were the drivers of my social success. During this time, I very attractive girl hit on me (the first time this had happened so blatantly to me) and the crazy thing is that I was so naturally cocky at the time that I told her I don’t get the numbers of girls I meet at bars. As any student of game knows, this was exactly the right attitude and, would you know it, she emailed me a few days later apologizing for being drunk and clingy. Since she was the hottest chick to enter my world in all my life and since I (without realizing it) was fully living the alpha lifestyle (hosting big parties at my place, organizing cool trips, being load and bossy at gatherings) we naturally got together. Her hamster thought she caught an Ivy league alpha, my beta consciousness thinking that I was luck to get such a hot girl attracted to me.

    I finished school and entered the working world. The context that allowed my alpha tendencies to flourish disappeared and I started the betaization process. The memory of my alpha moments were strong enough and the idea of my beta provisioning abilities were so evident that I got the hot girl to agree to marry me. We got married, but since I wasn’t conscious of what had attracted her to me in the first place, I let those qualities slip. Got fat, got less cocky, bossy and alpha. Got more home oriented. Basically, turned into a Beta turd.

    Through out this period I started feeling increasingly unhappy with myself and the world. As a guy, I had/have a limited way to understand my emotions and didn’t realize what the fuck was wrong. I knew I wasn’t happy, but I could not understand why, I had a hot wife, a 6 figure income at 30 and the prospect of making millions if I stayed on the partner track for 10 years. I knew that people would literally kill to be in my shoes and I felt that if I didn’t feel happy, I just needed to buckle down and keep at it till things improved. They didn’t.

    Being a self-sacrificing ass hole that hates his job, has no outside hobbies and is fat truly sucks. Not surprisingly my wife slowly but surely lost her attraction to me. After 5 years asked me for a divorce. In hindsight, I don’t blame her, I know it was just her hyperemic instinct recognizing I was not the alpha she thought I was. Of course, it hit me hard.

    To make matters worst, I had been feeling so shitty about life (without consciously knowing why) that it was unavoidable that my work performance was affected and I was asked to leave (up or out culture). I had made enough money that we could live without any sacrifice on my savings for 2 years. I proceeded to wallow in my own filth and try to find myself for 2 years. Nothing happened. It was during this time that she asked for the divorce. As you can see, it was not unreasonable. Yes, I know the church says till death do us part and all, but asking an attractive woman that wants to have a family to wait for a now fat ex-alpha to wake up while in his 30s is a bit much.

    After 2 years I had used up ALL my savings and my wife. I moved in with my parents. As a 35 year old guy who had been making 6 figures, that is a big fall. For months I did shit. Not sure what triggered the change, but I started to get into shape. Took up a Paleo diet and scrounged enough money to go to the gym to do the Starting Strength program (asking your parents for money in your 30s sucks). I still don’t know what cause me to change for good, but I did. Lost 30 lbs. Put on muscle, got a six pack.

    And, most importantly, I found the manosphere. It changed my life. Made me realize that the whole intellectual edifice I had built around beta game was complete and utter bullshit. Being a fact driven / analytical kind of guy, understanding the evo pysch underpinnings of th current Sexual Marketplace were truly eye opening.

    I am still a work in progress. My ego and motivation have grown tremendously. For the first time in my life I feel that I have a good grip on reality and a sense of what I truly want to do with my life (till now it was just the idea of following the crowd: school, college, work, masters, more work, marry, family, 2.5 kids, etc.).

    A major ego boost was having my first hookup since my divorce. As a mid 30s guy I was worried about what the prospect for meeting women was. But I get the sense (admittedly, with only an n=1) that I will do fine. I’ve gotten into the best shape of my life (my fancy heart rate monitor says that I have the cardio conditioning of the top 0.1% of males in the 20 to 25 age range), I shave my head to get head of the fact that I’m losing my hair and I had all my clothes tailored. I look good, and I’ve been able to setup a FWB arrangement with an 8HB 25 year old. It developed out of a social circle situation, so tough to tell how repeatable this is, but I have to agree, sex with a hot young woman trumps a whole load of shit.

    In my interactions with her I have been become 100% convinced that the whole aloof alpha attitude is the way to go. Any time I deviate even a bit from this, I can sense she looses interest. I literally searched the chateau heartiste site, found a posting on alpha text messsage (“right. drinks are on you next time”) and when I used it, got a positive response in 20 minutes (when she typically took 12 hours to respond). It truly is fucking amazing to see proof of Game principals right in front of your eyes.

    My question is: I know I am not her A guy, but how do I keep her around so that I get regular sex. Since I’m not her A guy and she is your regular flakey 25 year old, she flakes on me from time to time. If I take the ultra aloof attitude, there is the risk of her not getting enough stimulation/tingles to come back to me for more. But if I take a more active tack, tingle killing beta signals can pop out of my mouth (I’m still working at it).

    Any advice. I know, spin plates, don’t get attached and all that jazz. I get it. But I figure it is easier to stop a client from defecting than getting a new one.

    Wow, first time of written my shit out. Felt good.


  211. From how I read this post, and other comments, it is a success story. Much better to have your eyes open.

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  212. Flake on her.

    One thing I’ve observed is that they always come back, be it a day, week, or months later. Draw back your attention, give brief answers, and focus on a hobby you might have. There, you don’t have to play busy, but you can actually be preoccupied with bettering yourself or your hobby.

    Read through your entire comment. I’m glad you’ve been made aware. Hope you serve as an example to many other males.


  213. Thank you for writing this. Sharing it. Especially with our son.


  214. Hands down one of the best posts I have ever read. I do not agree with feminism these days and find it to be some ego boost for women. It is almost a challenge to come out of this whole thing as an alpha male with school teachers telling you to be extra nice to the girl and just years of indoctrination from it. Hope you continue to have success, I just turned 20 and your story was touching. I have similar ones on my blog but I will make sure you keep coming back to your page man. Is there any way I can get in touch with you or contact you outside of this comments page?


  215. I’m reposting this on my blog bit.ly/XHii7V and will come to read it in depth later. I wrote a novel around my experience – 17 years involuntary celibate, another five on yours! It’s a fascinating read and I get my own back by the end of it!


  216. Dead on.


  217. This is very accurate of a number of guys out there, I can think of close to half a dozen, and between us that number maybe higher that this is reality. Once the material of a good standup comedian, you have done an awesome job of articulating the plight of many males out there, whose plight is either disregarded or mocked.


  218. You just described my life, i’m angry, i feel like crying. But most of all i’m so god damn fucking angry. I’m a 23 year old bitter virgin, i have no life experience, no job, no education because the way i feel and how depressed i am. I’ve never had sex and i’ve never ever even been kissed but i’ve been used as an emotional tampon more times than i can remember.


  219. To all these men who want to comit suicide: go to your bed and close your eyes. Now begin to fantasizing about torturing and mutalating women. Believe me, your life wil change…


  220. Depressing but needed to be written for so many men out there (who are not only suicidal due to being friendzoned repeatedly but also being told how ‘lucky’ they are to be a man).

    I completely agree that misogyny is not born…it is developed due to the actions of women. Misandrism saturates society.

    Oh, as for feminism…the problems stem from the Suffragettes. Equal pay for equal work? Back then, a man had to feed a family, the woman was bringing in ‘extra’ pay…both sexes understood this and accepted it.

    Do not be fooled that ‘feminism changed’…it has remained true to its roots – which stretch back to Marxism. Now, if you’re going to say that “I don’t agree with modern Marxism, but in the past it was pretty good”, then there is no hope…”Abandon all Hope all Ye Who Enter Here”!


  221. […] uh, this is probably the most intense manosphere article I’ve ever […]


  222. Relate to this, even though it’s embarrassing and painful to admit to. I had to wait until I was twenty-fucking-seven till I lost my virginity, an utter and complete waste of the best years of my life and in stark contrast to the experiences of the equivalent aged females who had an almost constant supply of validation, rewards, sex, and pleasure heaped on them by the type of guys they’d always tell a good old predictable beta like the younger me to avoid turning into. I spent my whole life up ’til then dutifully following the advice handed down to me by female friends, relatives, society and the media in general. And got fucked over every time, left depressed and demoralised after hearing “I wouldn’t want to ruin our friendship”, “someday they’ll be a girl for you, and she’ll be so lucky to have someone so sweet” and various other flavours of bullshit. Nowadays I just laugh when women complain about there being ‘no good guys out there’, when every single thing they do so blatantly contradicts those words. Any kind of niceness or generosity is wasted on women in my experience and I’m sure in the experience of most men. There’s the odd decent girl out there but not many, tearing down that pedestal I placed women upon helped me see the woods from the trees and enabled me to finally get back some of the affection and human contact denied to me growing up, purely because of the outright lies handed out to young clueless kids like I was. Luckily the Internet had enabled the truth to become more widely known, hopefully young kids growing today won’t have to go through all the pain and misery I had to just to get what most girls take for granted.


  223. This was painful to read…but also beautiful in its rawness. I hope you aren’t offended by me calling this description of your sustained agony beautiful. As a woman, this was extremely enlightening. I would and could never say that I completely understand your experiences but I know how it feels to be lonely, to long for quality human touch, to ache for sexual connection…but my experience was my own fault as I built my own prison, convinced myself I was not worthy of these things when I, in fact, am. We all, male and female, are needful of sex by nature of being human. But I concede that the male need is stronger than the female and I can certainly understand how being denied this need can lead to misogynistic feelings toward those that systematically deny it. Reading about your 12 years of hell made me angry at my own gender and how often we can be ignorant of and apathetic toward the abject suffering of men in this regard. Your comments regarding feeling unhuman were a punch in the gut. Personally, I am often perplexed and frustrated by my own desires and sexual preferences. Your post gave me great insight into what it’s like to be a man in a supremely fucked up feminist, misandrist society and I thank you for enlightening me. I have the utmost respect for your ability to speak the painful truth and to find your own way to navigate the world and get the sexual satisfaction you need and deserve.


  224. anna says:

    “to have 100% ownership of her wage/patents/body”

    “most of them don’t want equality, they want superiority. ”

    Under the married women property act a husband has no jurisdiction over his wife’s property and income. Under the income tax he is responsible for her taxes. If the taxes are not paid, the husband, not the wife, is imprisoned. Mrs. Wilks refused to pay her income taxes–$185–and her husband was locked up. He will spend the rest of his life in prison unless the wife pays or the laws are changed. When at liberty he is a teacher in Clapton.

    unmaskingfeminism.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/sends-husband-to-jail-to-aid-suffrage-cause/

    “what’s mine is mine, what’s yours is also mine” is superiority, google belfort bax for more.

    as apollyon remarked above,
    Do not be fooled that ‘feminism changed’…it has remained true to its roots


  225. M3

    Still read this post every now and then.
    I recently pointed a couple of people in your direction, a few of them men and a woman or 2 who were disillusioned with the state of play.

    Not had a bad reaction yet.

    Keep them coming

    SH


  226. @M3…my heart goes out to you, man…

    I just turned 35 over the X-Mas break…and I have been what you’ve been through..except for nearly 20 years [from the time that I left high school up to this point]. I, like you, have wanted to have a ‘sex life’ at the right period…just like having a social life [friends, hangouts, etc.], so that I can have a life that’s worth living, but as a black male [through my experience], no one ever wanted to give me a chance.

    I’ve been through mental breakdowns, dirty looks received from other people in certain environments where I’m from, flaky and fake people who treat you like ‘today’s treasure–tomorrow’s trash’, and worst of all–smug and domineering women who think that the world revolves around them and their self-serving egos. I’ve even had some of ’em call me racial slurs [‘midnight’, ‘chaka zulu’, etc.,] and a few sexist/feministic comments about me, being a ‘pervert’, and denigrating me for not putting ‘beauty before beast’, etc., etc., but you somehow get the picture. I was always the one that got ignored a lot. Fortunately, I’ve only dated once–and it was to a low-quality gal–of course, it was not a good experience, but it gave me an idea of what to expect…

    From that point on, due to my failures with women/girls and their shitty attitudes–I became ‘gynophobic’, but slightly misogynistic–don’t get me wrong, though…I wasn’t raised to hate, but in these days that living as a boy/being a man is devalued…and that I will always be rejected for love/sex/dating/friendship, I chose to vote with my feet, and go ‘WOMAN-LESS’–meaning that I will no longer bother with such women anymore.

    Let’s face it, @M3–life’s too short to be chasing tail that’s not even worth a penny; however, not being able to date, have sex, make love, or have friends can take a toll on your well-being…make you bitter, make you hateful, and can defeat your purpose as a human being on this earth. The only thing that you can do now is to get on with your own life, start enjoying life on your terms [like you’re already doing now], and just relaxing and doing what makes you happy…

    I’m already finished with this generation of American women–for, because of feminism, conservatism, or whatever…they’re not worth a ‘day at the beach’! I’m done with them…

    (I picked your post as one of the best man-o-sphere artiles of the past year, BTW–Congrats!)

    Be good…and live well, @M3

    EmanTheDesperateHouseboy


  227. […] who wanted a wife could get one – would there be a market for these things?  But given the incel (involuntary celibacy) reality that many young men now face as they wait for the young ladies to finish up their twenties on the promiscuity carousel, I guess […]


  228. […] you who question if omegas and lower betas would do this, simply lack the understanding of just how brutal the sexual market place is for these […]


  229. […] Alright, since you’re not enough in enough pain please read this. […]


  230. Congrats on breaking the cycle. Never expect someone else to save you; women, men, friend, parent, etc. Ultimately, you save yourself, but the expectation you had of others leaves you hating them. Too bad.


  231. […] one need only read this (which you probably already have) to realize that i myself, and untold countless millions of others […]


  232. […] Confessions of a Reformed InCel […]


  233. Powerful stuff. Thanks for sharing.


  234. long time reader, first time commenting.

    This was an extremely powerful post, thank you for sharing. I also went through long periods of frustration before I found the red pill. Anger aids with growth, but I feel as if it is something that must ultimately be transcended if we are to reach our full potential.

    http://welcometothelifestyle.wordpress.com/2013/01/11/anger/


  235. damn…this is one of the most inspiring things I’ve ever read.


  236. […] The Diffident One A place for introspection « Five Realistic Steps To Starting A Game Development Company February 3, 2013 // 0 […]


  237. I haven’t has sex since the early 1990’s, about 25 years. There isn’t a day goes by that I don’t think about it, want it, wish for it, dream about it. I can’t afford to pay for sex so it has always been a matter of finding someone who will agree to have sex with me for free. But women make it so hard and want you to jump through so many hoops just to have a little sex, that after trying for years I just gave up. Even women I know as friends refuse to even give me a quick hand job to release my pent up desire as a favor even though they know it has been more than 2 decades since I had sex. They say they feel sorry for me but refuse to help in any way. It is a very lonely life and after so long it’s not even really the orgasms I miss it is the skin to skin contact with another human being and the knowing that someone likes you enough to agree to have sex with you. Some people are just sexually unlucky I guess.


  238. You weren’t in the friendzone; you were in the manupzone. But instead of turning right on Growup blvd you took a side trail down a path of despare. Now you really are a mysoginist and a hideous grotesque abomination. And you want others to join you? If you ever were a nice guy (which I doubt) you’re now wallowing in evil.


  239. You weren’t in the friendzone; you were in the manupzone. But instead of turning right on Growup blvd you took a side trail down a path of despare. Now you really are a mysoginist and a hideous grotesque abomination. And you want people to follow you? If you ever were a nice guy (which I doubt) you’re now just an evil little goblin.


  240. Welcome Vox.

    Spend a little time here, read up a bit, talk to some of the ladies here. I think a great many of them would disagree with your assessment.

    Remember, bettering oneself, learning game, rejecting feminism and trollish unworthy women isn’t misogyny… Its evolution.


  241. Nah, I’ll pass on your offer. But I’ll leave you with something to think about. The reason you succeeded or the Alphas you referred to did wad not through trickery, looks, money, game etc… It was honesty. That’s the only bright spot on this post. You were finally honest with yourself about what you wanted, you expressed your want and someone responded to that with a yes. That’s what attracts people: finding people who want what they can give and vice versa.

    But then you presume to judge women for wanting what they want (even when it’s pretty much the same as what you want). You express your own fears of female independence as misogyny and you want to perpetuate those fears among others.

    What you could do is drop the deplorable worldview and enjoy people as people. However you want to express your sexuality is fine as long as you’re honest and you’re not forcing it on someone else.


  242. “The reason you succeeded or the Alphas you referred to did wad not through trickery, looks, money, game etc… It was honesty.”

    I love honesty above anything else, but it doesnt have much to do with success in the SMP.

    The reason for success is marketing, value, economics, exchange, and action. If you have to inflate the value with dishonesty, so be it. Ask women and their fake boobs and make up, and men with displays of power and associations and swagger. This is a dance, it’s not the honesty club.

    Unfortunately.


  243. @ Vox

    I get what you’re saying in being honest with my intentions to want sex/relationship rather than behave “nice”.

    Introspection is rough, but i did get that. Social conditioning is hard to overcome when every external factor in your life bred you to being more beta.

    Having said that, honesty isn’t what won the day. If i was honest and still a beta, i’d still be at square one. Honesty only works if you’re attractive. I stumbled onto attractive traits accidentally at first, and then developed them after discovering the sphere. Without men to teach me, women would have continued to lie, consciously or not, about what they want in men.

    You said i needed to get in the manup zone. I agree. That zone didn’t exist during my time. All exits went back to GirlWorld and it’s rules. I chronicled all this. I took responsibility for my beta failures, friendzonings and my marriage collapse. I OWNED all of it! But you’d have to have read my blog to see it.

    I asked you to read the rest of my blog and see the interactions here between the commenters and ladies specifically. That incel post was the 3rd post i ever wrote when i first started the blog, a blog i started from a position of anger and pain, but has been a cathartic growing experience. People seem to forget when reading it that i’ve had plenty of time to look inwards and develop. I’m not going to retcon this post.. i hope it’s a springboard for people to read the rest of my damn blog. I am not one post.. i’m still on a journey of inner development, learning and self awareness. And embracing human nature and everything that comes with, for good or ill. I believe in evolutionary psychology and human biodiversity. I believe in hypergamy being amoral, and i also believe it still doesn’t care. Knowledge is power. Staying in the matrix keeps you ignorant.

    As to the deplorable worldview, it’s only deplorable if you don’t agree. As i said, i don’t think you’ve read the rest of the blog beyond this post so i can’t comment on whether we fundamentally agree or disagree. I don’t judge women, i judge actions. I tell them there are consequences to actions. As i had to take responsibility for my own actions of the past, women must likewise. If telling women that actions have consequences that may hurt their sensibilities or feelings and they get upset without doing any inward looking themselves, or choose not to try and view things from outside the lens of GirlWorld makes me a misogynist…

    i can live with that.

    There are too many women who frequent my blog that would disagree with you. The only ones who would agree with you are the ones who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, a status quo i refuse to tolerate. One that puts primacy in the feminine and castigates the masculine. One that starts with the premise woman=good/man=bad.

    Whatever your individual thought of me might be, pales in comparison to the thousands of men who have been moved by this post and changed their lives for it, hundreds of men/women who’ve emailed me to thank me for writing it. For men not to feel alone, and women startled by a world they never imagined, and offering empathy.

    I didn’t write this post for a pity party. I wrote it so that other men in a shit situation would make use of my painful past as an example of something to avoid and to spur change. Life is about change, evolution. Do the same thing, get the same results. If helping open women’s eyes to the fact that men are human beings with raw emotions too and not just fashion accessories, and helping long suffering men break free from feminist rules and female imperative and naked ignorance about what women REALLY want vs. what they say they want makes me a misogynist in your eyes..

    i can live with that.

    I don’t hate women. But i don’t automatically grant respect or love either. That can only be earned, by worthy women and those who earn it i love immensely. If you tell me that i have to respect and love women by default, even ones who would use and abuse me, be repulsed by me, would vilify me for having a penis or for being biologically driven to be attracted to women and wanting to have sex with them, and who would tell me i should be shameful of being a man.. that i should respect these women by default? That if i don’t im a misogynist?

    I can live with that.

    Peace.


  244. @M3

    Love it, as usual.
    I don’t know if you recall, but this post was the very first time I commented on your blog. It’s odd that, as a woman, I read this and felt nothing but empathy for you…but Vox reads the same words and concluded that you’re a misogynist.

    I do hope that Vox comes back, or att least reads some of your more recent stuff. I think there are some good conversations to be had here.


  245. You are someone I can call brother.

    You have seen the demons of introspection, they asked you in every form to kill yourself and you said no, YOU FIRST.

    Life in a game of positions and values, and all of the stories people color in are literally bids to make your behavior predictable. It’s cruel, but it’s _fair_.

    I didn’t experience a twelve year drought, but I was raped multiple times throughout my life. I am a dude. Noone cares about you as a guy. Were grown, not born. We have no initial value in society.

    Voxnewman is a natural, and in a very real way they are slaves and children. I respect that you took the time to explain your position to them, but the only thing that people like that are listening for is the safety to play their game. They can’t see past that yet and really I don’t encourage them to it’s a very steep loss to focus on introspection after your beliefs have been boosted up and shattered and without the right impulse it simply won’t happen.

    Your position in life is a threat to his, when a threat is an emotional response in the brain however small it may be here on the internet.

    By default you are correct if this happens, and his argument has no value. (he mad bro lel)

    I just want you to know that I have dedicated my life to a way and a path for people like us to follow and to grow safely in. In five years there will be places to go that aren’t the corners of the internet or PUA camps to learn critical pieces of masculinity without being interrupted by commonplace female worldview demanding their voice be heard. These won’t be muscle-men in movies, once again designed to be viewed by women. These will be men so powerful in their own right that they will be a resurgence to the field of their choosing. Men who understand value and critical thought in a way that schools are supposed to teach.

    I hope you are still out there because I would want you to give this blog post as a guest speech to new students. Everyone feels this anger and hate if even they have just barely been touched by it. It’s tortured men for centuries and is the source of the most suffering in the world (I believe famine, war and excess disregard for humans if they are just statistics in your head stem from these things).

    Cheers.


  246. I’m 23 years of age and have never even held a woman’s hand. There is absolutely nothing wrong with me: I am 5’11” and I come from a top .1% net worth family, I have good looks and a decent body with low BF%. Also nice clothes and luxury car to boot. Soon I will have a decent career but still I am tortured by females who reject me frivolously. I have been rejected by over 100 women in my lifetime with only one phone number. The number was a fake.

    I am a hypersexual so the rejection is even more intense. If I do not have an orgasm in 72 hours I begin to have compulsive thoughts of violence (rape, sexual torture, assault etc). The only mitigation method I have found is frequent masturbation (8-10 times per day) which leaves me numb and temporarily removes all sexual thoughts for a day. However, this quickly subsides and the aggression resumes.

    I wish I didn’t have a sex drive at this point in my life. It’s just a way for women to torture me; incidentally, most women are sadistic and like to berate “betas” whilst overtly displaying sexual approval towards the “alphas”. It’s even more frustrating when you’re expected to be alpha but get rejected over trivial bullshit such as not belonging to the right social clique or addressing her with bullshit PUA methods (which I futilly practiced in the past) that are disingenuous to one’s true character (but women don’t like my real character either).

    The act of sex is less alluring as time goes on simply because I cannot fathom an act that could potentially please a woman. In my mind, no woman deserves companionship and/or sex because they haven’t experienced the horrors of social and sexual isolation – even the fucking fat disgusting irrevocable whores. How is it that a landwhale @ 30% bodyfat can get laid more easily than me @ 14% bodyfat? It literally makes no fucking sense whatsoever. Thanks to feminism, 80% of men (including me) are discarded from the mating pool. Whoever thought that this was a good societal structure was a fucking idiot.

    It’s all quickly becoming irrelevant though. By the time I’m M3’s age I will have enough resources to exponentially reflect all of the pain women have dealt me over the past decade and then some. I will not detail the methods I will use to do so but they will be foolproof and covert.

    I think of myself as the equal and opposite reaction to the force women have created.



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