The Crime of Being NiceJanuary 10, 2013
Not back into my routine yet so posting will be slow and sporadic. Truth be told.. i almost hung it up. Blogging’s is a hobby for me, not a career. I fit it in where i can.
I’ve caught onto this whole thing about the NiceGuys of OKCupid tumblr (which is now down for the count)… and it really kinda just pissed me off. Pissed me off enough to write about (and give me enough vigor to go back and pump out some more)
I don’t truly have much to say except that ‘privilege’ or more specifically ‘female privilege’ gives these people the right to continue to assail ‘nice guys’.
[M3: ok thats a lie. apparently i have a lot to say.. and from Rolo’s post, it appears that it was beta infighting white knights who built the Tumblr page, not feminists. Same diff.]
I’m pissed because i see a bunch of
dumb cunts ignorant privileged princess’s rushing off to pillory and malign a lot of guys who simply for the sake of not being really high on the attraction level, are not successful with women and are simply venting about why it seems that ‘when they do what women say they want’ they get no traction, but see the same women who says what they want, continue to go after the complete opposite.
Sound familiar? Yeah.
And it chaff’s my balls to no end that the only reason.. THE ONLY REASON, these guys are being mocked is because they had the fucking audacity to actually see the women they were trying to speak with as human beings with interests and feelings rather than walking vagina’s and pump and dump bait.
That’s right. They’re being portrayed as the misogynist’s. Only in the fucking land of feminism does Tucker Max end up looking like an honest decent stand up guy because hey, he wasn’t being an misogynistic NiceGuy trying to get laid. Because Tucker dispensed with any ideas of actually.. you know.. wanting to look at these women as human beings with feelings and interests and anything other than a walking pussy. Those fucking evil NiceGuys.
It’s like i keep needing to stress this point. If you are a guy, who is looking at a woman’s profile and seeing if you share common goals or interests, or are genuinely interested in learning more about a woman and go to great lengths and effort time and again to interact with them like humans.. well then.. you’re a misogynist. Why? Because not NiceGuys don’t care. They start with ‘hookup culture’ script and move in for the pussy slay first. Then they might care afterwards.. so long as the bitch make’s’m a sammich.
“OHHHH noes, you got it all wrong. Those ebil NiceGuys are ebil because they pretend to be nice to get into our pants! It’s their strategy to fuck us! That’s why they’re ebil!”
You. Stupid. Fucking. Bint.
Let me let you in on a little secret.
We all want water, we’re driven to seek it out and drink it. Now given the choice between drinking muddy diseased african water with ebola in a rusty can vs. drinking pure, cold, glistening brita filtered water in a frosty crystal glass, most guys will want to drink the latter, especially when they’re thirsty. Tho you can tell a lot about a guy whether he will elbow, butt, kick and stomp every other dude around him just to get to the water, gulp it down and smash the glass on the floor like spiking a football whilst nah nahing all the other thirsty shleps vs. the guy who will not run roughshod over others, take the time to appreciate the craftsmanship of the glass and sip and savour the water and think about how cool and refreshing that water feels and appreciate the great qualities that water contains.
Both are strategies for getting water. Apparently we are to revile the latter and encourage more gulping goblet smashers.
And then there are those who would say “Fuck you picky bastard, go drink the ebola water, it deserves to be drank too!”.. but only women can openly say that in public.
But i think i’ve made my point. If you are single, and pretty consider every guys actions ‘a strategy’ whether you like it or not.
You see, recently at The Woman and the Dragon, a revelation was stumbled upon by Deti and confirmed by untold dozens of others including myself that a guys brain is a supercomputer capable of determining within a nanosecond whether or not he can see himself sexually with a woman.
We’re not programmed to know in a micro second whether or not we’d be great friends or share the same interests in art or music. What we do know is if we want to stick our dick inside of you and leave our baby butter in. This is our ‘evolved’ brain.
So what is OKC or PoF? Well.. beyond being
complete fucking cesspool’s of solipsistic zombies and attention seeking whores a place where females go to seek male validation, it’s also colloquially known a “DATING SITE“. And what are people’s primary motivations for joining a “DATING SITE“? Well slap me with a trout and call me sally while scratching my back with a hacksaw.. i do believe dating sites are where people go looking to find romantic involvement with the opposite sex. Are we connecting the dots yet….?
When a guy sends a girl a message on a dating site, there is one certain truth.
HE CAN ENVISION HAVING SEX WITH YOU.
So take the message as a compliment for starters. But that’s not the issue here. The issue is the crime the ‘NiceGuy’ is committing. And if i read enough NiceGuy complaints (which i certainly can relate to being a reformed NiceGuy, but a NiceGuy no more) i can tell you one thing with absolute assuredness. The main reason you see the NiceGuy crying out in public is because he is wasting a severe amount of time actually doing the following:
- reading the woman’s profile
- taking stock of her interests and the commonalities they share
- taking her at her word she’s ‘tired of the games’ and that she wants a ‘nice, kind hearted man’
- formulating a well thought out response, usually more than 2 paragraphs.. more than just ‘Hey u, r u DTF lolz!‘
- seeing her as a human being with aspirations, goals, dreams and not solely as a sexual object
- wanting to make a connection with a woman beyond the physical in an effort to sublimate himself to the female imperative
Now.. NiceGuys do often tend to punch above their weight, and they do often tend to go into ‘rescue mode’ (remember kids.. rescue puppies, not broken women) because they see the plight of the good looking girl who tirelessly complains about why there are ‘no good guys‘ (these bitches should get their own Tumblr, see my comment here) and ‘where have all the decent men gone‘.. and he’s ready to show her a world of love, care and honest companionship that her life is apparently devoid of. As if these bints were ‘ENTITLED’ to a relationship.
If ONLY she would just give him a chance.
But that chance never comes… because for all that non-misogynistic thinking of trying to get to know the girl and putting serious effort into opening up a dialogue with these women.. efforts JerseyShoreJohnySixPack never bothers with, they are met with…
After many unsuccessful attempts, the bar will begin to lower, and further attempts will be made on a scale leading towards punching at the appropriate weight class.. and as the silence continues it’s deafening scream.. our sweet little NiceGuy will start punching a little below his weight, all the while still pouring out his time, effort and patience trying to relate with the qualities and traits contained within the woman’s profile, trying frantically to create a connection with a woman on a level of deeper meaning and not just pure animalistic pump&dumpery. And our poor little NiceGuy will never know why but will eventually begin to conclude what even OKCupids studies have shown us. That he is one of the upwards of 80% of guys who are ‘unattractive’ and invisible.
Saying all the right things leaves you unheard and unnoticed. Say the wrong thing, something that goes against the femcentic worldview.. and you will be noticed and marked for destruction.
I want you to understand this little bit very carefully…
These women are getting their panties in a knot because these guys are voicing out loud that women are NOT interested in having guys trying to relate to them based on interests or sincere attempts to be inquisitive about a woman. These creatures that thrive off the bullying of NiceGuys (funny how it wasn’t funny when Amanda Todd was driven to kill herself by being bullied) continually unload on these hapless guys who are simply venting their frustrations in an almost pathetic attempt, a Hail Mary gambit, hoping “the one” girl out there reading his profile will be so moved by his plight, she will introspect and examine whether or not she acts in such a manner described, vows to end her badboy chasing ways and embrace the hopeless romantic.
And one wonders which romcom script playbook they’re following when they do that. You know, the one where dorky guy wins the girl in the end?
Let me add this caveat. Sure, lot’s of nice guys COULD use a lot of work. Lot’s of nice guys SHOULD actually stop pedestalizing the vagina and do their own thing instead of projecting ‘creepy’ ‘beta’ ‘neediness’.
However, shit like NICEGUYS of OKC goes one step too far and demonizes and further isolates guys who for a majority of the time are simply stating what we in the sphere already know.
Which makes me want to take the gloves off. I’ve always been hesitant to pile onto the fat shaming thing. Pointing out that fat is unattractive is one thing, being cruel about it is another. Even i have jumped on the bandwagon from time to time speaking of landwhales and crisco masses, but only to drive a point, not to make someones life more miserable. With the exception of one post about Fat acceptance.. i’ve never gone full tilt against those who are less fortunate in the looks department unless they arrogantly stand up and tell me that i am wrong for not finding the grotesque attractive.
“BUT M3, isn’t that what the girls/mangina’s/whiteknights doing? Going full tilt against NiceGuys who say that girls should be attracted them for being nice?”
I would ALMOST agree with you save for one minor niggle.
1. Culturally it is acceptable to shame guys for being shallow to overlook fatties great personalities
2. No guy puts on their profile header that they’re looking for a really great fat/plump/few extra pounds/plus sized/bbw person (unless it’s their fetish)
Women are not culturally shamed and called shallow for ignoring beta’s or omega’s, and it really doesn’t take a lot of searching to find a woman’s profile looking for ‘a nice, honest guy who doesn’t play games’. These women are actively portraying, displaying and advertising the need for NICE guys. This is the crux of the matter. The needy nice guy IS the obese girl. A mirror analogy. Both want a relationship. Both have problems they need to work on before any real expectation of one should happen. But no man is advertising how badly he’s looking for plus sized BBW’s really badly! No guy says he’s tired of the hotties and looking to settle down with something more rotund. No man says he’s tired of the bar scene and just wants to lay in the pudgy arms of a soft marshmellow woman. At least what men advertise is quantifiable. Women advertise all the things they want (from their alpha) but never come out and say that they first want the hot guy to hit them with douchebaggery so they can ‘win him over’.. no they simply put out a tiny blurb, like legal fine print by including the words ‘physical attraction’ or ‘not perfect, just perfect for me’ in their profile. That right there pretty much invalidates everything else they asked for because they’re not looking for it from Joe Average.
New Years Eve i cracked a joke to my best man about how there’s only one thing i really want in a woman (besides me).. and i said ‘really long legs‘ with a wry grin. Both of them looked at each other, mouths agape and then turned towards me in disgust. The next thing i know, he and his wife are scolding me on how i should look for someone a little more comely, down to earth, maybe someone not so hot (read ugly) who won’t be the apple of anyone’s eye but mine so i can trust her and appreciate her and how her personality and brains are more important and blah blah blah blah… from a fucking sarcastic joke. No no no Mike, no need for you to be attracted to her, just look past that.
DO WOMEN DO THIS TO EACH OTHER ABOUT JOHNY6PACK????
No, they create fucking TUMBLR pages to deride and destroy NiceGuys and whatever hope and humanity these guys have left in them like a bunch of bullying fucking trolls. They would never consider doing a page like that for overweight, obese, unfeminine, feminist, trollish, short haired pixie cut, high N slutbag bitch’s who cry about why they can’t get a relationship? Where’s THAT TUMBLR PAGE??
Complaining about “WHERE ARE ALL THE GOOD MEN?”… BRAHHHHH – questioning the motives of the men you dated = NotNice Girl
Asking men to “STOP PLAYING GAMES”… BRAHHHH – whining and complaining about men’s sexual/commitment choices = NotNice Girl
Crying that guys get up and leave when you reveal your slut number?…. BRAHHH – feeling entitled to a relationship while ignoring mans right to evaluate your worthiness based on his criteria = NotNiceGirl
Decrying men as dogs who can’t appreciate a full figured woman?… BRAHHHHH – judging a man’s visual acuity / natural arousal by unreal feminist social construct = NotNice Girl
Writing lengthly articles about Peter Pan men and manning up?… BRAHHHH – feeling entitled to benefits of men assuming traditional gender roles, bodies and production = NotNice Girl
Complaining that men are commitment-phobes?… BRAHHHH – NO ONE IS ENTITLED TO SE… err.. A RELATIONSHIP. Put that in your pipe and smoke it princess.
Every woman who complains in any way whatsoever about men who don’t pick them for the special snowflakes they are and feel entitled to being in a relationship because they’re so fucking awesome and like have a degree in English and like know how to bake vegan cookies and like is a foodie and stuff and like duh…
It’s your ass that should be displayed on a website showing what a vapid narrow thinking bitch you are for feeling you are entitled to anything from men, from the way you dress, to the way you talk, to the way you present yourself.. it’s all a strategy to land the best mate possible for you to pop your fucking future kids out which requires getting into his pants. So you’re batting your eyelashes, laughing at his jokes, baking him cakes, making him lunch, giving him blowjobs.. it’s all just ‘being nice’ in the hopes he commits to you, puts a ring on it and finally pumps you full of it to help you squeeze out a fetus down the road.
[but only if he’s an Alpha guy worth chasing of course]
When i was in highschool, i defended those who were picked on by the privileged. As i was one of those who was picked on and nearly driven to suicide by it, i recognize it’s not cool to dump on those less fortunate in some lame attempt to build yourself up in the eyes of others. And that’s what the fuckers of NGoOKC did. And that’s why i’m fucking fuming.
In the end, these guys were tried in public for the crime of voicing frustration to the duplicity of ‘what women say they want is different then what they actually want’. They weren’t after sex, they were after relationships. If all they wanted was sex, they’d go to a prostitute. Or they’d learn the dark arts and go on a pump and dump spree. So many comments in the sphere amount to “These bitches aren’t worth the time, i’d never put in that much effort, he must really genuinely want a relationship.” And time and again, they were passed over for a relationship by the very women who “expressed” the greatest interest in one, looking for someone who wanted to treat them like people, not objects.
These were guys who for the most part, wanted a meaningful relationship with a woman as a path towards sex, not just seeking out sex only. A means to an end, not an end in and of itself. And they got crucified for it. I certainly hope this keeps getting more coverage. Every NiceGuy out there needs to be tried and convicted. Just like the marriagestrike required many men to be destroyed and humiliated before marriage became unpalatable, so too will NiceGuys continue to need to be publicly abused before the ‘niceness’ becomes something to be avoided at all costs.
And oh what a day that will be for woman, when there are no more ‘nice’ men.
Side note.. some of the things the NiceGuys said were quite nasty but obviously taken out of context. But what i really noticed was the constant use of the survey questions added into the photos for maximum effect like guys answering YES to “Are there any circumstances where you would not allow your partner to do something?” or some shit like that as if to show WOW this guy is one hell of an oppressing woman hating douche for not letting her do what she wants. Funny, that’s how i answered the question.. because i certainly would not allow my spouse to:
- drive drunk
- hit on other men either sexually or with fists
- purchase a new wardrobe and dinette set on our debit card while we’re in the line of credit
- buy her 20th pair of shoes
- physically assault me
- shove a lava lamp up my ass during sex
Pretty fucking disingenuous of these tardicons, the whole lot of them.
If you’re traditional, Christian, captain/1st officer redpill aware, or simply keen to the fact that women enjoy being led and not leading during Salsa, then you would obviously answer Yes to thinking men should be the head of the household. Or maybe you simply realize that strong independent empowered women still look for men who make more than them and dump kitchen bitches on their way to Eat Pray Love. In any case, answering yes does not mean you’re “Not Nice”
If you are a heterosexual man without a fetish for monkey sex, you generally want your woman to keep a clean feminine appearance which means grooming. Obligation is a strong word, but the implication is obvious. You expect them to shave when appropriate to look good for you, as reciprocity demands. Answering YES to saying women are obligated to shave does not make you not a Nice Guy any more so than any woman expecting their man to wear a suit and tie to a formal event getting mad that he chose to go in a Snuggie make her not a Nice Girl. In fact, don’t carry any expectations for me not to end up looking Charles Manson as i let my stringy unwashed mullet grow out to match my Rabbinical dreads as i loaf around the house in my torn up plaid sweater and see through saggy tighty whities with dirt under my fingernails. Want me to take a shower? Fuck you you not so nice Nice Girl. I’m not obligated to let you oppress me.
Answering Not Acceptable to ‘The idea of gay and lesbian couples having children’ is not an indication of a person’s nice/not niceness.. it is a moral stand and principled statement. I dunno, I don’t have a single fucking problem with gays having/adopting kids. I think they do a better job in some cases. Having said that, someone else’s moral stance is perfectly acceptable. I don’t really feel like a woman should have/be entitled to have children if she’s a crystal meth smoking welfare case having sex for money with random dudes in a motel. Does my having a opinion on that make me… wha? Nice Guy or a NotNice Guy?
Answering Yes to “Any circumstances where someone is obligated to have sex with you?” kind of makes you sound like a rapist don’t it. Well.. except when you, i dunno.. get married. I’ve been told that if you’re not fucking, you’re just friends. But what do i know. Granted, that doesn’t mean that your obligation is right here, right now, right this second.. but it’s generally assumed that if you’re married, having sex comes part and parcel with the whole marriage deal. Anyone who claims otherwise i’m sure will understand that commitment in an LTR/marriage is also NOT an obligation.. so fellas, feel free to ditch your wife/s.o. for a quickie with your neighbor, coworker, stripper, prostitute. Obligations just suck donkey balls.
The last one is a personal fave, but requires a NO to be used. That’s where these guys screwed up. The question on the survey is “Is a girl who’s slept with 100 guys a bad person.” This one demands a no. Because we’re not here to condemn the slut for her life choices, as long as she can live with it openly and honestly. So the answer is a resounding NO. And in the comment box you add “..but there ain’t no way in hell i’m going to wife that slut up. I don’t want to be #101. I’d feel as special as you if you knew i married and left 100 women before proposing to you!” Problem solved.