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Reproductive Slavery

June 13, 2013

Not my words..

slavery

From the Article

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/06/12/plan-b-for-all-girls-science-finally-trumps-politics/?intcmp=obinsite

Now don’t get me wrong here.. i have no issue with Plan B. I have no moral opposition to it on any religious grounds (hold up hand… Atheist!). Might it encourage promiscuity? Who knows.. i see it as no different than regular birth control that’s already available for kids. It’s just another option.

But here’s the real reason why this caught my eye. Slavery is an apt term. We educate kids about using birth control because duh duh duh.. kids being kids, will find a way to have sex. They are biologically programmed to do it. We might use knowledge, education or boogeyman scare tactics to dissuade them from having sex.. but it will happen.

The pill was created as a means to not make women become mothers before they were ready, before their time.

So i have no moral disagreement with Plan B.

I want to know where is the male version of Plan B.

I want to know where men go to avoid being slaves of reproduction.

And i want to hear something other then.. “Keep it in your pants”. Because i will punch you in the fucking face if you do.

The article frames it as it’s shown in the photo above, i have taken the liberty to modify it as how it’s actually intended to be interpreted by them:

“If a young girl is sexually active, whether by choice or not, she should not be denied reproductive rights. She should be allowed to make timely reproductive decisions about her own body within the dictates of her religious and moral codes.

To deny young adolescents GIRLS ONLY access to medically necessary and proven care is essentially reproductive slavery.”

We don’t want to make girls slaves to the responsibilities of their own choices to have sex.

But men who chose to have sex and accidentally knock a girl up…

Ball-and-chain

It’s a lifetime of child support for you, now get cracking SLAVE!

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23 comments

  1. Good points all around, M3. Personally I loathe when people say that men “should keep it in their pants”, but don’t say the same for women. It is an equal risk to create a pregnancy (aka two to tango).

    Does a woman face more risk if in fact pregnancy occurs, especially to her body? Duh. Of course. But does that mean that she has the right to force a man to care for her and the resulting child? I don’t believe so. Just the same as a man cannot legally force his partner to remain pregnant, so should women not force men to have their wages garnished…or be “honorable” and wed them.

    Really, there should be a lot more work done on making progress on either a male Pill or temporary vasectomies. Only then will things truly be equal!


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  3. Oooh. me likey this subject matter and your take on the article – how you absorbed and reacted to it. The Student of Public Health Promotion inside me is giddy!

    “I want to know where is the male version of Plan B.”
    You mean aside from condoms right? (yes I am aware they are not 100% but still)

    They are working a “pill for men” but you know the FDA, Clinton’s 20 illigitimate great-grand children will prolly be the first to get at it.

    I was once listening to one of those “love line” type radio talk shows (long road trip) and a mother of a 19 year-old boy who had started college had went and gotten himself a vasectomy! Damn was mama pissed.

    Her son explained that he did it bc then he didn’t have to worry about knocking some chic up and they are reversible so when he was ready he’d get the clip snipped (yep – they are not only reversible but also not really 100% effective but damn near close enough)

    However, the docs/Dj’s on the show were kind of … quiet at first. They obviously were internally contemplating this “issue”. After a 5 second silence Dr. Drew said something like; he is an adult now, he can do what he wants with his own body etc. While his lacky dj guy chimed in, “ya know, you have a REALLY smart kid, I wish I had thought of that!”.

    Honestly, I completely agree. This kid was brilliant (still gotta wear condoms, the herp is on the rise!). I often wonder why politicians dont get them i mean cmon – never leave an audit trail. a kid.. def a trail. I understand a surgical solutions on a particularly sensitive area for you guys is NOT the ideal solution, but it is one. Women get IUD’s inserted into their cervix (also not cool).

    Whats the deal with that spermicidal foam, what ever happened to that?


  4. Ah but the underlying assumption is that men, all men except a tiny minority, are slaves. Its just an occasional discussion about who is our slave master(s) and how much do they get to reave off of us.


  5. >I want to know where is the male version of Plan B.

    Okay, I can tell you that.

    >I want to know where men go to avoid being slaves of reproduction.

    Sure, I can tell you that too.


  6. @Amateur

    You mean aside from condoms right? (yes I am aware they are not 100% but still)

    That’s an apples to oranges comparison. I could similarly accuse a woman of not putting her diaphragm in, or not taking her daily pill. What plan B provides is a way to opt-out after the mistake has been made, something the law does not provide for men, but provides for women in spades with legal surrender sites (where women can outright abandon their babies), all manner of legalized abortion options (within reason), and now plan B. Society says to women, “You can avoid motherhood at any time in the process, even after birth you can legally wash your hands of motherhood.” But society says to men, “You cannot avoid fatherhood after the penis enters the vagina, you are subject to her decisions entirely, even if that means 18 years of wage garnishment.”

    They are working a “pill for men” but you know the FDA, Clinton’s 20 illigitimate great-grand children will prolly be the first to get at it.

    That pill for men, as far as I know, has been tested for years. It is getting an interesting amount of delay from the FDA. I wonder why that is?

    Whats the deal with that spermicidal foam, what ever happened to that?

    It was linked to some female health issues, I don’t recall what they were. Same as the sponge. Though I think the sponge suffered from being used by retards who used it improperly.


  7. the sad thing is, my mom is DYING for me to have kids. but at the same time, she’s well aware and understands my aversion to getting a chick pregnant.

    i seriously doubt there will EVER be a male version of the pill. you’ll just have to get a vas. and even then, they may not do it unless your “wife” is with you.


  8. >i seriously doubt there will EVER be a male version of the pill.

    [shrug] I seriously doubt you’re worth listening to about this.


  9. >And i want to hear something other then.. “Keep it in your pants”.

    [shrug] I want to hear something other than “I WANT I WANT I WANT”.


  10. @ Acksiom

    >I want to know where is the male version of Plan B.

    Okay, I can tell you that.

    >I want to know where men go to avoid being slaves of reproduction.

    Sure, I can tell you that too.

    >And i want to hear something other then.. “Keep it in your pants”.

    [shrug] I want to hear something other than “I WANT I WANT I WANT”.

    Hello Troll.

    Do tell the answer to the above, and in your own words explain to us why you are against men having the equal right to a form of PlanB to avoid responsibility and repercussions for having engaged in sex?

    I’m all fucking ears…


  11. I’m not sure if it was linked through a Manosphere site, but I did see an interview with a Doctor from Brazil (if I recall it correctly, he was from one of the more developed south American countries) who had developed a non-hormonal male birth control pill. When he went to a world health summit to give a speech about his work-in-progress, some feminist harpy actually got up and told him point-blank that her movement and it’s political supporters would Never let that male pill get on the market as they weren’t about to let that type of reproductive power that they had accrued fall out of the hands of the wymenz. His pill was non-hormonal, had very few side effects, and was made from extract from specific seed (I believe it was cotton seeds).

    This would be one big clue why a male pill has yet to get through the FDAssholes.

    If I can find that video, I’ll link it.

    BDubs


  12. @jeremy

    I know. It is VERY, like EXTREMELY hard for me to admit or accept that they, by reasons of a biological nature, something god or evolution or whatever made us and our bodies the way they are – cause men to NOT have control.

    You just dont.

    The ONLY control is not having sex. Thats it. It might suck and seem unfair but that is just the way it is.

    And its not as if we EVEN had control over NOT having an unwanted child until 40 years ago.

    You complain about a mans right not to have an unwanted baby. So spoiled we ahve become. 50 years ago there was no BC 40 years ago aborition was illegal so no one had control. At least now there are more options.

    And…. back to the condom thing. Assuming you are not using them bc you are in a committed monogomous relationship with whom you have a clear communication channel with and trust would respect your wishes and know what they are BEFORE said unwanted pregnancy – WHY arent we using condoms again?

    May be apples to oranges but they are both fruit. They both can be sour, rotten, they both can fuck you up.

    A man not wearing a condom is not the same as a woman not putting her diaphram in. Is there no one here that remembers there are these things call sexually transmitted diseases?

    And a man puts on a condom usually right there before the act in sight of the women (though thre is this game of men pretending to put it on then not – this actually happened to me and it is fucked up BS and an form of rape. no i didnt notice the difference bc i personally dont notice a difference, for women the condom thing really doesnt mean anything in quality – ok at least for me. and i went to get a sip of water and he tossed it off, its not as if i was being totally negligent). Women put a diaphram in before.

    Lastly, and though i have slept with more than 4 people, have been deemed a slut, an alpha whore whatever, i do not sleep with people without considering thre is a chance i could get pregnant. You should always go into fucking someone with that mindframe. bet youd become way more selective.

    If im sleeping with you i knnow your name, address and phone number and I know you enough that i understand even though im on the pill, use condoms and always have plan B on hand (though ironically i was against it being over the counter, still have my issues w it only for health reasons, i know girls who use like birth control, you cant do that, its really unhealthy but whatever it is their bodies right) I am awayre EVERYTIME i sleep w someone pregnancy is a possibility and factor that in to the “to or not to bang” decision making process.


  13. @Amateur

    The ONLY control is not having sex. Thats it. It might suck and seem unfair but that is just the way it is.

    So, what you’re saying is, because female birth control, legal surrender, plan b, and legally allowed abortions exist, then rights and privileges afforded to women cannot be afforded to men. How does that even pass smell test?

    Consider this situation. Consider a country where all children must be born in wedlock or the mother is stoned to death. Females who get pregnant not of their own will must hide it with clothing and the help of other female friends or face the consequences. The male who impregnated her suffers no investigation and no consequences for his violation. What might you hear the men say in this situation? I think they would tell the women, “The only control is covering your body at all times, wear contraceptive or anti-sex devices at all time, and never be alone so you can not be taken advantage of, it might suck and seem unfair, but that is just the way it is because you have the womb.”

    Guess what, that country is Saudi Arabia.

    But you’re justifying the same damn shit, from the opposite perspective. You women who support all these reproductive rights for women while enslaving men financially for your decisions are no better than the Islamic extremists who abuse females in Saudi Arabia and tell them to just suck it up.

    Chew on that.


  14. Um. If that’s how you want to take it go ahead. All I said was if you fuck a woman you are by default recognizing and taking responsibity that she may get pregnant.

    Takes two right?

    So. You wanna take all birth control rights away or just women’s? It’s not our or any women’s TOTAL responsibity In making a child . Or is immaculate conception your “go to get out of this”?

    Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 01:16:33 +0000 To: amateurblogger@live.com


  15. @ Audi

    Not sure where you are running with this. Basically it’s about absconding responsibility. No one talks about taking away women’s rights to abscond. It’s about giving men the right to.

    Giving men a Plan B, a way out to not accept responsibly, just as women have, ensues equality, does not affect any women’s rights whatsoever and would give women more pause to think before sleeping with someone instead of just thinking with their clits.

    Takes 2 to tango right? Perhaps you should stand beside an abortion clinic and shame the women going there for not manning up. Because that’s what your telling men.


  16. I think…. I maybe what I said wasn’t clear… I’m not anti abortion nor do I lack sympathy for the fact that in the area men don’t have control (other than to do what they can to not have to be in the situation in the first place ie use condoms, don’t bang or get clipped). I know there is a male BC in the works so it’s not as if action is not being taken to give men more freedom in this arena.

    I guess what I’m gunna have to ask is if you believe policy should be created that give men the right go to force women to take plan B if a condom breaks or you don’t use one or whatever the sit may be? Is that the main … Point of this post? Without outwardly saying it that is what it seems to be.

    In my saying that I am not stating if i am for or against it. That’s a reaalllly deep issue and I’m not sure there is a “right” answer.

    Honestly like I said I was against plan b being over the counter (yes I was def, as seems to be the trend in my life, the outlier in grad school studying public health on this and many issues. They hated me). I do think it promotes promiscuous behavior as well as poses a threat to women’s Health by giving them opportunity to engage in unhealthy behavior like unprotected sex and overabuse of plan b.

    I was saying that for now at least this is a place that men do not have total control. It sucks. Perhaps what would be productive is to make a list of political, medical and personal decision making actions that give men more “rights” to well un-do what they (and someone else) did.

    If is an issue dear to your heart go and fight that shit. Also, you talk about plan b here, that is preventative. She’s not pregnant yet. Does your frame of thinking also extend to if she does become pregnant. Like forced abortion? Not being subject to financial responsibity if she does have the child bc you clearly stated prior you were not for the birth? Again, I’m not saying either of those are things I’m opposed to. They are reslllly deep questions. I don’t know what I feel about right now. But I am just wondering?

    As I said in my first comment I have always respected and thought that 19 year old a genius for getting a vasectomy. It’s not ideal but IS temporary, reversible and totally gives men “the out”.

    Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:32:31 +0000 To: amateurblogger@live.com


  17. Um. If that’s how you want to take it go ahead. All I said was if you fuck a woman you are by default recognizing and taking responsibity that she may get pregnant.

    You are acting like a child. Now you’re simply pretending you didn’t say what you said.

    Takes two right?

    Ask your average Saudi born female if she likes that phrase.


  18. @ Audi

    Relevant:
    Takes Two to Tango


  19. Hi there, I was just hoping that you could clarify something for me. I’m wondering why condoms would not be considered an effective way for men to avoid getting someone pregnant? Obviously they’re not 100% reliable but then neither is the pill. I personally think that the line of ‘If you don’t have a female reproductive system then you have no right to an opinion on abortion’ is really unfair, partially because if a woman did go through with the pregnancy the father would be expected to pay child support, and partially because it’s sexist to tell someone that their gender is what determines their right to an opinion on anything. That said, I also understand why some people adopt that line; women’s access to contraception and abortion was restricted for such a long time, and I get why some people are scared that allowing any man to have an opinion on the matter might lead to such restrictions being reintroduced.

    Also I do get that condoms would be more the equivalent of the pill than of Plan B or an abortion. I guess all I’m asking is, if the ultimate goal is to give men an avenue through which they can have sex without the risk of accidentally getting someone pregnant, why is it that using condoms would not be considered a way to achieve that goal? Thanks!


  20. @ paradoxy

    “I’m wondering why condoms would not be considered an effective way for men to avoid getting someone pregnant?”
    No one argued it wasn’t. Of course it’s fairly effective when used. We are discussing something else entirely. Repercussions for either failure of contraception due to manufacturers defect, tampering, or breach of trust when a woman says she’s on the pill when she’s not. Most couples simply come to trust their partner if they wish to remove the need for cumbersome condoms and the feel of real.If a woman wants sex without a condom because it feels better that way, any man who questions her motives will be a man who will be kicked out of a relationship. A woman’s trust can never be questioned, opening the door for nefarious women to lie about being on the pill, for monetary reasons or to try and ‘keep’ a man.

    “Obviously they’re not 100% reliable but then neither is the pill.”
    The pill is 100% bulletproof when used accurately. The only reason it says 99.9% effective rate is for legal reasons. The only reason it fails is if women ‘forget’, or take the incorrect dosage, or not at the correct times.

    “scared that allowing any man to have an opinion on the matter might lead to such restrictions being reintroduced.”
    Let me be the first to state that i advocate ZERO rights to be taken away from women. THis is about true reproductive EQUALITY.. something feminists claim to be for but never quite actually pursue eh. What i and many others advocate is to stop creating second class citizens out of men and granting equal rights to abdicate parenthood if it was not their desire. A woman has options from abstinence all the way through to child abandonment and all points in between to effect her right to not become a mother. Men have no such luxury and are forced into slavery as soon as a woman decides for him he will become a dad, whether or not that was his want from having sex. Women’s rights fought to grant women the right to enjoy sex without worry, to enjoy sex for the sake of sex, without the long lasting repercussions that pregnancy/child rearing could bestow on a woman. These are the same rights i advocate for men. I want to stop hearing ‘man up take responsibility for your child and be a father.. if you didn’t want to be one you should have kept it in your pants.’ because i’m not hearing anyone telling women ‘women up, take responsibility for your concieved and soon to be child and be a mother.. if you didn’t want to be one you should have kept your legs shut.’ Will you be the first to walk into an abortion clinic and start shaming those women for not ‘womaning up’?

    The restrictions you are worried about being placed on women are the exact restrictions currently in place on men, triggered solely upon whether a woman decides to abort or keep. If a man can ‘abort’ his rights to fatherhood at the moment he is made aware of it, the woman STILL has every right and option available for her. Giving men rights to abandon fatherhood and abort financially from the unborn does not impact or impede a woman’s ability to execute any one of her rights. There is nothing to argue here. If you disagree, you are not for equality, you are for double standards. Same act, same reasons, different outcomes based on gender. Zero responsibility for women, slavery for men.

    ” if the ultimate goal is to give men an avenue through which they can have sex without the risk of accidentally getting someone pregnant, why is it that using condoms would not be considered a way to achieve that goal? Thanks!”
    You seem to be looking through the lens of casual sex. What about LTR couples who feel ‘trusting’ enough to shed condoms to get more ‘intimate’? As stated earlier. THis does not protect men in ‘trusting’ monogamous relationships where questioning the trustworthiness of the female partner will not be tolerated and could result in the end of the relationship. Most men have a hard enough time getting one woman, and pissing your mate off by telling her ‘sorry babe, don’t trust you, we’re gonna stick to condoms’ just doesn’t fly. She goes into a rage, leaves him, hooks up with someone else in a day. He spends months/years trying to get over the woman he loved leaving whilst simultaneously trying to look for another woman who won’t stab him in the back like that.


  21. […] seems almost uncanny that on the day i get a Feminist named Paradoxy to leave me a comment on my post Reproductive Slavery i would have been listening to a conversation […]


  22. @parodoxy

    …women’s access to contraception and abortion was restricted for such a long time…might lead to such restrictions being reintroduced.

    This is pure bullshit. Science invented new methods for women to take chemical control of their cycle. There was no conspiracy to prevent women from utilizing contraception. The fight over abortion eventually took on religious tones, but the real injustice over abortion is the unequal power it gives to women. There is no reciprocal power of washing ones hands of a child for men. If the feminists fighting for abortion rights really cared about equality, they would include laws that allowed men to divorce themselves from any financial responsibility for any child within the same time period as abortion is allowed. No such laws exist, no women’s groups have ever called for such laws. So you might as well admit that this faux-injustice that was supposedly perpetrated against women is nothing more than pure imagination on the part of misandric females. There is no conspiracy against female choice, there was only biology and scientific ignorance. Of course, because women believe men somehow conspired against them, it fully justifies in women’s minds all moves to restrict male choices.

    Pure childish projection, and women are guilty of it.


  23. ^^^

    Everything Jeremy just said. +1

    Pregnancy was a natural consequence of having sex, and the whole concept of men manning up to take ‘responsibility’ was borne of the idea that since women couldn’t stop the process, men needed to ‘own’ their part and start working to play their role as father and provider.

    Feminists jumped at the chance when science came up with and introduced measures organically as science got better. It wasn’t women fighting for it, it was that science evolved to allow for both birth control and safer surgical methods to create the ability for feminists to capitalize on women removing their responsibility portion of the consequence of having sex – YET they did not bother to apply that ability to men. So much for their vaunted EQUALITY bullshit. They ran with that horse for almost 50 years granting women an out while at the same time enslaving men to their patriarchal gender roles of manning up, being a responsible father and a provider. Enough is enough.



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