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September 28, 2012

Out-fucking-standing on the whole post! And i second all of his remarks about the utter absurdity it is for men using online dating looking for a ‘good girl’.

Friday Link Love goes to Free Northerner FTW.

Free Northerner

Slate (always a good place for blog material) had an article on a comment from Quora asking: Why Are Women So Negative About the “Pickup Artist” Community?

Quora has numerous other responses which, along with the comments on this particular answer at both Slate and Quora, vary between pro- and anti-game and which will mostly be familiar to those with experience in the Manosphere. I’m mostly only going to comment on this one because Slate published it, it’s the most upvoted on Quora, and it’s amazing how hard the hamster is running.

I read The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists (which I still think is a really interesting book) and ended up meeting a lot of people who were in the pick-up artist community (not a goal—it just happened).

I even ended up helping out with one of their weekend seminars, to be a “female test dummy,”…

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4 comments

  1. This was a good post. I found Quora’s comments to be interesting.

    I personally am not “anti-game” and don’t understand why more men don’t want to learn PUA tricks. (Those tricks have worked, even on me when I knew about them.)


  2. Thanks for the linkage.

    Carolina, the problem with game for many guys is this:

    http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2010/11/19/gaming-your-wife/

    If you want a marriage (or even a stable LTR) you don’t want it resting largely on game as it means the whole thing will collapse when you slip.

    Other problems are it feels unnatural to many men who aren’t used to it, and there is some cognitive dissonance between the red pill and what society has been teaching young men for the first 20+ years of their life.


  3. What FreeNortherner said.

    1. It’s exhilarating to learn Game works.

    2. It’s also scary as hell for a few reasons.

    a. First, as a married man, it slowly dawned on me that there was no way in hell I could run dread Game all the time. If that’s what it was going to take to keep a marriage going, I might as well just write her a check for half my income and deed the house over to her. Luckily, it didn’t.

    b. Second, I realized that I could not go on the way I had. I would have to change if I wanted to get better; and I would have to expect her to change and to accept me.

    c. Third, it also dawned on me that everything I thought I knew about women and about intergender relationships was as wrong as it could possibly be. I had learned everything wrong — everything from my nature, to women’s nature, to how attraction works, to the simplicity of women, to what matters to attraction and comfort, to relative sex drives, to sexual imperatives — EVERYTHING.

    I realized that everyone I knew — parents, sisters, teachers, everyone — either had absolutely no idea what they were talking about (bad enough) or were lying through their teeth to me (even worse).

    d. Fourth, Game requires outcome independence — the notion that I as the man will do what I want and need without regard to her reaction, her statements, or her decisions. This is 180 degrees away from what most men are taught, which is to calibrate their statements, decisions, needs and lives around their women.


  4. “Third, it also dawned on me that everything I thought I knew about women and about intergender relationships was as wrong as it could possibly be. I had learned everything wrong — everything from my nature, to women’s nature, to how attraction works, to the simplicity of women, to what matters to attraction and comfort, to relative sex drives, to sexual imperatives — EVERYTHING.

    I realized that everyone I knew — parents, sisters, teachers, everyone — either had absolutely no idea what they were talking about (bad enough) or were lying through their teeth to me (even worse).”

    This, this, a thousand times this.



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