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Obligation to Die

December 11, 2012

This is a super quick post day. Don’t have time to make a huge write up on this since i’m still busy with other things.

Check out this Yahoo story here.

Key quote

“…And I said ‘Well, you can’t just leave him in there and let him die. You’ve got to help him. Go get him’. And I commanded him several times and Josh looked at me, and he again said ‘He won’t get out of the car’. And I told him ‘You can’t stand here and watch him die. You’ve got to get him out’.”

Read the full story about a woman coming across a wreck, and telling a man to get another man out of a burning vehicle.

Whatever your initial thoughts of Josh Brent not getting trapped man (Jerry Brown) out of the vehicle (which he eventually did) the key question is why the woman did nothing to help the man out beyond commanding another man to risk his own life (whom she was not aware of being the driver/drunk/cause of the crash). All she knew was that he was a man standing there and she felt compelled to tell him to do something she would not do.

Was her life more important?

The female imperative, men risk, die, disposable, women tell you when and how high.

And you want equality too?

Have at it in the comments.

26 comments

  1. “The person that was in the other vehicle stepped out of her car and she said ‘I’ve already called 9-1-1, they’re on the way’. And I was like, I’m so relieved that, you know, single-car collision, no injuries, fine…But it took no time at all for this fire to really get engaged. It became very hot, very bright, very big and then I started to hear screams coming from inside the vehicle and it was a man’s voice saying ‘Help me’, you know, ‘Help, somebody help me’. And I turned and looked at the gentleman in the black pants (Brent), and I said ‘Is there a passenger? Is there somebody in the car?’. And he said ‘Yeah’. And I told him ‘Well, get him out of the car’.

    “Josh looked at me and he said ‘He won’t get out of the car’. And I said ‘Well, you can’t just leave him in there and let him die. You’ve got to help him. Go get him’. And I commanded him several times and Josh looked at me, and he again said ‘He won’t get out of the car’. And I told him ‘You can’t stand here and watch him die. You’ve got to get him out’.”

    Apparently, it’s OK for women to stand by/give orders (whether to men present or men, in the case of emergency services, elsewhere) and watch men die but when men do it, it’s unacceptable.

    Of course, the argument will arise that they were not as strong as Josh, thus unable to do the job. But that will be a tacit admission that men and women are not the same and that there are jobs women are incapable of doing.

    If only I could use the rationalization hamster wheel to turn a turbine. Renewable, green energy forever!


  2. You DO know that we all like to read your posts, no matter the length, do you?

    Well, now you do. :)

    Keep them coming, at the pace that suits you.


  3. This Yahoo news account says Josh Brent was driving and that he had consumed alcohol. Or he was dazed after the accident. That might account for his apparent disorientation and sluggish response at the accident scene.

    That having been said, the expectation is that men are required to put themselves in harm’s way for others. If they fail to do so, then they are cowards and not real men. It goes to the man’s masculinity and character, and therefore his worth and desirability.

    Women might want to be careful with this. The expectation used to be that women were required to be chaste, be discreet, and not have sex before marriage. If she fails to do so, she is a slut, is not a lady, and has no marriage value. It speaks to the woman’s femininity and character, and therefore her worth and desirability.

    I fail to see how women can cast off the old notions of chastity, discretion and virginity put on them; and yet demand that men still labor under the old social norms and expectations of chivalry, nobility and selflessness.

    You get the society you incentivize.

    Well, this


  4. The waste that comes out of that engine wouldn’t be green. It’d run forever though.


  5. What is the complaint really about?

    That men are stronger and take risks and are expected to do so?
    That women are weaker and seek for safety and are expected to do so?
    That men and women are different?
    That she “commands” the man to do what’s expected of him? if so, what should have she done instead?

    Sounds like the complaint is about men and women being different. Feminism seeks an equality that cannot be reached. Complaining about an equality that cannot be done makes you a feminist, doesnt it. Did you expect the woman to go into the car and save the dude?


  6. If that woman ever claims she’s a feminist, she’s a hypocrite and should have. I was simply using a very overt example of ‘You want equality when it’s comfortable and teh Patriarchy when it gets rough. choose one side and stay there’.

    make no mistake. i agree with you on the way the nature of things should be. And if i was there, i’d do what i could to get the guy out because it’s the right thing to do and i’d hate to watch someone die, not because some harpy was ‘commanding’ me to do it.


  7. “Josh looked at me and he said ‘He won’t get out of the car’. And I said ‘Well, you can’t just leave him in there and let him die. You’ve got to help him. Go get him’…. and he again said ‘He won’t get out of the car’.

    Am I the only one that found this funny?

    Guy likes it in there. Leave him be.


  8. You are so going to hell lol.


  9. Lol article was really “Slave didn’t immediately jumo to command, slave master stunned!” Deti pointed out the prior social pact, its gone. Hell i personally ahout that women should be in the draft and serve front line combat duty. Every woman there to get drafted ahead of me is aces in my book. Equality is a fucker when it comes with responsibility.


  10. He’s not a feminist you idiot.


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  12. >Did you expect the woman to go into the car and save the dude?

    Yes, of course.
    At least try.
    There should be a sentence in her description like “That guy (Brent) was obviously not fully there, so I approached the car to pull the person out. Only after I saw that he weighed three times as much as me I turned to the dazed guy and tried to get his help”
    But it’s completely absent. She didn’t for a second think it might be up to her to approach the burning car.

    That’s what is meant be “male disposability”. No finer example for it.

    Anyone who would not expect her to at least try must, practically by definition, by vehemently against female fire fighters.


  13. “Yes, of course.”

    Nope, you didnt. The woman, didnt, the man trapped didnt, the rescuer didnt, and the people doing the press didnt.

    This would be absurd to everyone: a man, standing by, seeing another man trapped in the car in flames, and commanding a random woman nearby to go risk her life to save the man.

    It is absurd because it goes against the instincts in play. Yes, male disposability, but not so much, because you’re still trying to save another man. And male braveness, strength, etc. Men are expected to be stronger, more capable, more selfless, than women. Meeting that role is cheered, and failing at that role faces disdain and contempt from everyone.

    Women are simply not expected to meet that standard, because they cannot meet it. They just cant. Any counterargument here, refer to the counter example here with the man standing there and commanding the woman: it wont happen.

    So instead of complaining about this case, use it. This is a stone to break feminism, to break the charade. Bring it up playfully. This and all the other instances that prove that the equality charade is just a charade.

    Complaining about the lack of equality here makes you pro equality. So you really wish the female standards applied to you, and that women were just as men? really.

    You have to pick sides and pick your wars. Cases like this are not your wars to fight. They are the stones you throw at the glass. And with a huge smile. Because you know you’ve won.


  14. This woman sounds like a piece of work.

    Most people think their own life is more important than anyone else’s. The fact is that it is a rare individual who will risk his or her life for another.

    Over 20 years ago Anne Claxton, a mother of young children, risked her life to shield Daniel Duffy, a white Chicago police officer, from gunfire. That this happened in what is in the main a racially divided city makes the story all the more remarkable (Claxton herself was black).

    More on Claxton:

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1988-04-01/news/8803050376_1_daniel-duffy-gunman-humanity


  15. +1

    Yohami’s right. You don’t show them they’re wrong by behaving like them. You show them they’re wrong by shoving their hypocrisy and their batshit theories about gender constructs up their asses.


  16. She couldn’t pull the guy out. She was on FB and Twitter posting about the accident and how SCAAAAAARY it was. She then had to fix her makeup and hair to get ready in case she could score a hot fireman.


  17. I suggest an all woman army. Considering that men throughout history have always born the burden of dying to defend the country a period of only women doing so to make up for it would be proper wouldn`t it. In the same way positive discrimination is used to make up for historic injustice. And since women are supposed to be able to do anythinga man can do and it is apparently fine to lower the standards for physical abilities for women since demanding the same physical abilities for them would be unfair (we already have lower standards for women to join the army), why not leave it all to them for a while. Men have been conscritped when need be previously so concsripting enough women shouldn`t be a problem either.


  18. Yes, but we also complain that feminists think men are privileged when it is the top men who are way more privileged than any of us ‘normal men’.

    The fact is, since the birth of civilization, for the most part men have been just as shielded from combat as women, perhaps more so.


  19. Would never happen solely because armies (especially the US) have one simple task. To win every engagement. Creating a battalion of female troops or leaving anything solely to women forces would ensure multiple loses. Even when it’s forced to accept women by dictates from the civilian brass.. the army will never allow itself to entertain the prospect of creating losing scenarios.

    We’re here to preserve democracy, not practice it.


  20. Related:
    There are no feminists in housefires (or apparently burning cars)

    Bill Burr


  21. It doesn’t state if Josh Brent attempted to get Jerry Brown out of the car prior to the woman’s arrival. He could have been trying right up until the time the she showed. And in the end, he did manage to recover him. This article only presents a very narrow view of the scene. We don’t know what really happened.

    As for the discussion on the woman commanding the man, that’s a silly discussion. Come on, do you really need content that badly?


  22. p.s. This was awesome.


  23. (Sorry for coming late back to the post.)

    Yes, I did.

    In any situation I am most interested in who would be able to do a job according to the circumstances. And I would never expect a man who is obviously in shock to behave rationally and responsibly.
    That does not mean that the woman is not an evil minded hypocrite. She (most probably) is.
    It if had been a small guy in the car she would well have been able to drag him out.
    The point (and the reason you are correct in your assessment of her) is THAT SHE NEVER EVEN LOOKED.

    I’d would expect from a responsible person something like:
    1. The car is burning and there is someone still in there.
    2. The one physically stronger and thus with a higher probability of being able to drag that person out is in shock and therefore incapacitated.
    3. Let’s see if I can do it.
    4. No I can’t; that bloke is faaar to heavy. No way.
    5. Last option: bully the man in shock to do something.

    She is not out of order for thinking that a strong athlete could do the job better than her.

    She is a subhuman being for omitting steps 3 and 4.

    I’ve explained my reasoning a bit more here:

    http://yacv.wordpress.com/2012/12/14/of-the-importance-of-being-bell-curved/


  24. I will grant you, the commanding bitch certainly displayed entitled privilege beyond any measure. It is the reason i made the post after all.

    If feminism didn’t exist, this wouldn’t be an issue tho. It’s because feminism fought for a false ‘equality’ that we men feel so abused. An equality that can’t exist and could never exist. And now we see the anger come through when women deny their (false) earned equality and revert to entitled privileged patriarchy when it becomes convenient to.

    Feminism is the reason why we look at her and say ‘why didn’t you do anything?’. And feminism doesn’t have a response either.


  25. When there’s a pressing and dangerous matter, the male instinct is to do something about it, while the female instinct is to cry for help.

    In a feminist ideal world both sexes are granted the right and the privileges to do both things.

    In the real feminist world, women are given extra incentives to take hands on issues, pushing men out of the way when convinient, shaming men when they take hands on the issues… and then reverting to cry help when they are just bad at the stuff, and shaming men for not having taken action sooner.

    Whatever happens, we revert tot he basics.

    You can complain about the mess feminism created, but if you, or if anyone, complains about the woman not jumping in to save the guy, you’re becoming part of the problem. You’re with them.

    There’s no equality and any complain about the double standard makes no sense.


  26. Josh should have punched the woman in the face, and THEN tried to help Jerry.



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